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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Something slightly Meta-textual here.

This is rather enlightening regarding Renagade's view point when and if he meets any of the other Paul's in the multiverse.

Since there are many Copies of Paul running around, much like Pinkie 2 here, each of them is to be considered a fully formed individual rather then a lifeless clone acting out. If paragon Paul ran across this, he might end up relating to #2 here since it can be inferred from his body surfing last April First that none of them are the original.

Zoat's place lording over his fictional selves running around.
 
Vaermina said:
Side note, you're doing that bashfic thing again.
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To some extent, but I think he's also doing something akin to what Discord did when he first got loose, but without the mind control. It's something that'd fit within the context of the MLP:FiM universe.

He's also acting out the fraction of the Anti-Life Equation he possesses, by confronting them with the pain of their mistakes and misdeeds.
 
I hope Darkseid is back on his couch when he gets home, having removed the stuff, and congratulates him. Both on surviving the anti-life, removing it, and torturing the ponies as the greatest entertainment he has had in years.

For one of those 'your approval fills me with shame' moments.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
"Ah, Graven?"
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Is this a misspelling of Grayven, a mishearing of Grayven, or a society which prefers adjective names recasting his name in their mould? I actually quite like that last possibility. (But graven what?) Nm, next chapter makes it clear it's pronunciation.

Vaermina said:
You know... I can't help but feel that Grayven is forgetting rule 0 of actual monarchies.

IE that the rulers are the final arbiters of all laws.
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Rule zero of absolute monarchies. Other forms of monarchy may have their own final arbiters; for example, in the UK the law is whatever Parliament (or more specifically the House of Commons) says it is.
 
Did Sunset notice that some of the stuff that Grayven was talking about, he couldn't have possibly known unless he was personally there? Unless those are all stuffs that he had discussed with the Mane 6 off-camera?
 
RichardWhereat said:
And that Grayven isn't just a ring slinger. He is a god, mantling conquest. I imagine thst if he views it as conquering their reticence, he could look for magic on his own.
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Honestly, he wouldn't have to look for magic at all; just scanning for Pinkie would work if the have fully realized bodies.
 
Ardy said:
Wow! Nobody ever needed that information, ever! Second time that's ever happened to me. Right after learning what "clopping" was.
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Welcome to the internet. It can slay both your innocence and ignorance in a single strike.

Twilight isn't the most stable of individuals under normal circumstances. She once flipped out after learning that she may have gotten her favorite librarian fired. This may permanently break her.
 
Massgamer said:
Not technically wrong
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Holy fuck, THAT was the test?! Ignoring whatever was the in universe logic, what the heck were the writers thinking? No wonder there are memes about this, that would have terrorized me as a child. Its the same kind of horror as the Angels from Doctor Who.

Overall though, this is a interesting moral question I could see in a good sci-fi horror story though. Kinda like the Star Trek transponder fan theories.

And I see this revelation affecting the rest of the Mane 6 as well, being accomplices in the act.
 
KillingYouNicely said:
Someone forgot that Mother Boxes are perfectly able to scan what a Power Ring can't.
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Someone forgot that Mother Boxes have a tiny scanning range.


nick012000 said:
To some extent, but I think he's also doing something akin to what Discord did when he first got loose, but without the mind control. It's something that'd fit within the context of the MLP:FiM universe.

He's also acting out the fraction of the Anti-Life Equation he possesses, by confronting them with the pain of their mistakes and misdeeds.
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What I meant was that Zoat, as an author, is making things a specific way so his self insert can bash what were previously not, but now are because he changed them to be that way, bad character decisions.

See, contrary to what Zoat put in story, the show was extraordinarily clear that the copies were magical constructs with no real sentience or agency of their own.

He also seems to have forgotten that the constructs forms had started to actively destabilize.
 
Vaermina said:
What I meant was that Zoat, as an author, is making things a specific way so his self insert can bash what were previously not, but now are because he changed them to be that way, bad character decisions.
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It's almost as if he's torturing the characters because he wants them to see them hitting him with the elements of harmony, as better than him continuing his crusade of evil.

Huh, now that I think on it, that's exactly what he's doing.
 
RichardWhereat said:
I hope Darkseid gets to watch this terrorising of ponies. It would be his favourite memory from Grayvens antilife portion.
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The real Pinkie Pie is dead. She was the second-to-last, the one distracted by Rainbow Dash talking about the balloons. Because she's the one who chooses to spend time with her friends, which was the point of the test. Spend time with her friend Rainbow Dash. Who is telling her to look at balloons. Instead of watching paint dry. Rainbow Dash's interference provided a stimulus the actual Pinkie Pie would fail but that the clone would not. So they killed Pinkie Pie.
 
I'm kinda waiting for Pinkie #2 to reveal that she reacted that way because she figured it was how she was supposed to react. If all the Pinkie clones thought the same way then she can't really blame them for doing out of ignorance what she would have done in the same position.
 
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The real Pinkie Pie is dead. She was the second-to-last, the one distracted by Rainbow Dash talking about the balloons. Because she's the one who chooses to spend time with her friends, which was the point of the test. Spend time with her friend Rainbow Dash. Who is telling her to look at balloons. Instead of watching paint dry. Rainbow Dash's interference provided a stimulus the actual Pinkie Pie would fail but that the clone would not. So they killed Pinkie Pie.
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the real one would not have gone back to the pool and simply died, I think.

The whole test and the killing of clones does seem pretty cringey for a child show
 
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NotaWriter said:
the real one would not have gone back to the pool and simply died, I think.
The whole test and the killing of clones seems pretty cringey for a child show
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Maybe Twilight's spell doesn't kill them at all, but SENDS them back to the pool, and the whole gruesome explosive death thing is just a special effect she added because she was sick of Pinkie Pies by this point.
What if the real Pinkie Pie is still alive and aware in the pool, sad because she's convinced that she wasn't the real one, and missing her friends who she now never gets to see again?
 
Here's a theory for an in-universe (meaning this version of Equestria) explanation of Twilight's actions:

It's possible that the mirror-clones, when they first came out of the pool, lacked a soul (much like Paul/Grayven, did at the start of the series). Assuming that Twilight used a scanning spell on one of the clones it would have come up as 'not a real pony' because of that, which is why she decided to get rid of them all.

The reasons she didn't bother to scan every single one of them for the real Pinkie Pie could be that the spell is too taxing to keep casting, that it would take too long to scan each clone individually (assuming that they could get them to sit still), or even that Twilight just wanted to take care of the problem in one go (edit: one of her 'great-ideas', as it were).

Either way, the clone(s) that did escape would have theoretically developed a soul over the intervening period due to the magic-rich environment that is Equestria; making them 'real'.

But yeah, just a theory by brain cooked up, so feel free to poke holes in it.
 
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It's almost as if he's torturing the characters because he wants them to see them hitting him with the elements of harmony, as better than him continuing his crusade of evil.

Huh, now that I think on it, that's exactly what he's doing.
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I said Zoat... The Writer... Not Grayver the self insert...
 
RichardWhereat said:
I hope Darkseid is back on his couch when he gets home, having removed the stuff, and congratulates him. Both on surviving the anti-life, removing it, and torturing the ponies as the greatest entertainment he has had in years.

For one of those 'your approval fills me with shame' moments.
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Then Darkseid gives him another anti-life fragment
 
RichardWhereat said:
It's almost as if he's torturing the characters because he wants them to see them hitting him with the elements of harmony, as better than him continuing his crusade of evil.

Huh, now that I think on it, that's exactly what he's doing.
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The problem is they may not see this as EVIL.

Traumatic to them, yes. But everything he has done is true.

He needs to set his sights and threaten innocent bystanders.

P.S. I don' t know how Twilight can resolve the realization that she is a murderer. If I killed a person I would be scared for life.
 
.... I just had a realization. This is Ponyville. Despite knowing almost nothing about it, I (and Grayven) do know that there WILL eventually be a threat that'll require the Elements. With the 15:1 time dilation effect, he could just check in every few days from the other side and wait for their eventual return. I mean, at 1 month roughly equalling 1 year, its not too onerous a delay.

Grayven isnt just being his normal dickish self to achieve something important like usual. He's terrorizing teenagers(?) rather than waiting a short amount of time. The Bearers have a point in that these "Plunder Vines" pose a wider threat than a 'curse' that only is affecting one person. It IS his life on the line, but he knows he has some time. He's just enjoying this too much to stop.

I knew Grayven was selfish and horrible, but damn. He is doing daddy proud here.

Also, is anyone else kinda scared to find out what Grayven has in his bag of tricks? Cause that escalation curve has been steep.
 
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