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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Thank you, corrected.
This is the Dominators government or domain?
Yes.
The Dominators do seem to be something like a miniature version of the Reach in some ways, so some of those members may be interested in stopping them.
No, they're far less evil. While they do routinely carry out horrifying experiments on members of alien species, they do the same to other dominators and they seldom wipe species out.
 
I think an argument for going after the Dominion or other 'bad' polities before Apokalips can be made just on practical grounds, since attacking Darkseid would be a vast escalation in a lot of ways, at least if I understand things properly (I'd say Apokalips has better tech and capabilities but the Reach just take up a vaster amount of space). Better to spend your time recuperating and going after small targets while building up or rebuilding your power base.
Would Maltusians consider actively intervening/going into combat themselves against Apokaliptians? I know the GLC lost when they fought, but don't know if the Guardians directly took to the field or anything. Surely none of the Maltusian factions we've seen wants Darkseid to get the Anti-Life Equation, and while I don't have the knowledge to directly compare them, if they're willing to collaborate and possibly mobilize against the potential threat of the Anti-Monitor, they might do the same to prevent Darkseid from getting what he wants. I don't know a lot of general Maltusian history or attitudes regarding the New Gods in the comics though (besides the Quintessence I guess, but I know Zoat isn't doing that).

If someone did attack Apokalips though, would the nominal peace treaty between it and New Genesis mean that the latter would be obligated to help or anything? I don't know if the treaty was ever fully articulated in any comic or something.

Is there a Paul in the Justice League: Gods and Monsters universe? I remember this being discussed before but not what the answer was, sorry. Darkseid went out like a punk there but it was Highfather killing him, so it's easier to stomach even if it didn't look particularly impressive.

Paragon mentions people can theoretically use more than one emotion/color at the same time, though I don't think he's exactly dual-wielded different colors of ring himself. Renegade uses more than one color, but I think he just switches his emotional focus from moment to moment. I know Paragon justified not trying for white light manipulation or something along those lines when he was trying to get his enlightenment back, but it really is a good idea for him to practice simultaneous power ring usage- maybe not now, but at some point in the near future.
In a similar vein, can Maltusians who've bonded themselves to one light make a new bond to a different one? A Guardian said there are ways to work around their bond to the green light, but that's probably less intense than what I'm proposing. If someone wants to aim for white light manipulation or bonding, which we know/assume is possible, I assume that requires harmonizing all the colors, so to me it makes sense for a being to (theoretically) bond to multiple lights, even if it's quite difficult in practice.

Do we know how many people besides Doctor Mist have white enlightenment? I think Paragon's looked at his soul and I've probably discussed Mist as a power ring candidate at some point, but working on tapping into the emotional spectrum via magic might be possible. There are multiple colors on Earth right now that he could maybe work with. I don't know if Ghi'ata would be knowledgeable enough to recognize white light enlightenment if she met him, though if Weaponer Lysis's sensors can pick up the Inspector's red-enlightenment, I don't think it's out of the question.
 
Is there a Paul in the Justice League: Gods and Monsters universe? I remember this being discussed before but not what the answer was, sorry

I think there was a small omake with renegade teasing Bekka, but that was it.

Darkseid went out like a punk there but it was Highfather killing him, so it's easier to stomach even if it didn't look particularly impressive.

He is Darkseids equal, so it makes sense that he could kill him.
 
How very Spartan of them. Then again, they likely suffer from overpopulation, don't they? If you aren't going to be useful to society, then why keep you around?

Or they may have the necessary resources and space, but still don't want to waste them on those they view as unproductive.

They may have had resource problems in the past and adopted such a mentality, and even if they solved the resource issue they may still cling on to the mentality because they view it as being correct.

More a convenience than a compassionate act. I'm sure some told themselves giving the orphans a chance to be useful was a good thing, but people are always capable of self-delusion when it's necessary.

Especially if they think they are helping someone.

Once read something that said that a person who is hurting you but thinks that they are helping you is far more dangerous than a person who is hurting you for his own pleasure.

I can't imagine any culture that would choose execution, if the culprit was given the choice. I'm sure one with a known chance of reincarnation while retaining memories might, but I can't imagine how such a society would function.

It depends on what the alternative to death is.

For example if the alternative to an execution is spending time in a prison that can be compared to a concentration camp, then you may chose death rather than hell on Earth.

When have politicians ever not been short-sighted after wartime ends?

Politicians can be shortsighted pre wartime, during wartime and after wartime.

I think being shortsighted is a job requirement.
 
Is there a Paul in the Justice League: Gods and Monsters universe? I remember this being discussed before but not what the answer was, sorry. Darkseid went out like a punk there but it was Highfather killing him, so it's easier to stomach even if it didn't look particularly impressive.
I tend to feel that putting another 'me' in Gods and Monsters goes against the point of the setting. Really, it should be someone else I know rather than me. Heck, my paternal grandfather was killed by truck-kun, so he's a prime candidate.
 
I tend to feel that putting another 'me' in Gods and Monsters goes against the point of the setting. Really, it should be someone else I know rather than me. Heck, my paternal grandfather was killed by truck-kun, so he's a prime candidate.
I forgot where you said it, but I believe you once said your sister would be there instead of you.
 
I tend to feel that putting another 'me' in Gods and Monsters goes against the point of the setting. Really, it should be someone else I know rather than me. Heck, my paternal grandfather was killed by truck-kun, so he's a prime candidate.
Either you really like and respect your grandfather to put him in that world or he pinched your cheeks one too many times as a kid.
 
to train new generations of Orange Lantern Corps Sector Lanterns what their job is
At least in American English, "train" doesn't work properly in that phrasing the way "teach" would. To shorten the phrase to something grammatically equivalent to make the description easier, "train them a job" is interpreted as "train a job for them" (but how do you train a job to do anything?). My recommendation would be to write "train ... in what their job is".
 
At least in American English, "train" doesn't work properly in that phrasing the way "teach" would. To shorten the phrase to something grammatically equivalent to make the description easier, "train them a job" is interpreted as "train a job for them" (but how do you train a job to do anything?). My recommendation would be to write "train ... in what their job is".
Thank you, modified.
Isn't Yuga Khan still alive?
In Gods and Monsters? I don't think he was shown. So, maybe.
 
Before I go and search the whole story again looking for a scene that just won't get out of my head until I reread it.

Does any gentleman and or gentlewoman know in which part the whole split earth shenanigans happens.
 
Medidiction (part 16)
27th August 2012
09:09 GMT


"Again!"

Lantern Toren fires construct shears at Lantern Dul's wings, and she responds by generating large construct wings and slapping his constructs aside with them. They don't shatter, but he isn't quite able to force them to hit home.

Lantern Xor and I watch impassively for a moment.

"Is this a good training method, or has she missed the point?"

"I lost my fear of heights by flying regularly. Even without my ring I don't really feel anything anymore."

"Again!"

"Of course, Lantern Toren doesn't want to cut her wings off, and she probably doesn't believe that he can-. I mean, doesn't know for certain that he can in the way she's certain that I could."

But while I could shoot out her defensive construct with a crumbler round or anti-construct ray, and while that might provide a better lesson than having her block attacks she knows that she can block, I'm not going to do that unless she specifically asks for it.

Xor watches them for a moment.

"You can see our souls."

"Something like that."

"You know our fears. You know why we fear things."

"I either know or could find out with relatively little effort, yes."

"Then why this?"

"Because I don't need to know. You need to know. You need to go through the necessary mental steps toward that realisation yourself. Me just telling you isn't the same thing. And in some people… Like Lantern Dul, there's resistance to being told about things like this by someone else."

"But not me."

"I don't think you'd fight against the ideas I present you. But I still think you'd have an easier time internalising them if you went through the steps-" My ring blinks. "-yourself. Illustres here?"

Lantern Onik's face appears.

"Great Master, in light of what we discussed I am visiting my former monastery. If possible, I would appreciate it if you could visit later today and speak with people."

"Certainly."

He smiles. "Thank you. I know that-."

His face vanishes.

"Lantern Onik?"



"Lantern Xor, follow me."

I

step out, the line representing Onik's desire to speak with me leading me directly to

his previous location, construct armour forming around me and absorbing a rocket barrage from.. that robot. Cheap and cheerful Spider Guild model, devastating to unprotected civilians and light infantry but-

I put a destructive pulse through its central processor and each of its targetters. Those things are usually set to blind fire their rockets if the signal from the CPU gets interrupted, but if I destroy the launch system-. Yes, dead.

"Lantern Onik, re-"

Plasma bolts punch through the wall to my left, slamming into my environmental shield! I form a construct shield and respond with destructive pulses.

"-port."

I'm getting good returns on my scans, though the robots aren't mentally complex enough for me to see with empathic vision. Spider Guilders tend to fight Lanterns using ships, legions of regular robots or small numbers of super-robots. There aren't enough here to stop me. The only thing that makes sense is that it's a terror raid.

I think I may need to have a word with some people. Starting with the local defence force.

Ring, analyse robot computer program.

Compliance.

The Guild isn't supposed to have Lantern-compatible interdiction systems, but I settle for flying through what's left of the wall and shoot dumb railgun rounds through the plasma repeater robot. As it falls I grab the overloading plasma bottle and-

And as we're under a dome on a dead planetoid I can't just throw it into space, darn.

-stick it in a safe construct as it explodes. No hole in the dome so they can't have punched through there. Tunnels, tunnels, there. Don't know how they got this close, but that's a problem for five minutes from now.

"Lantern Onik, report."

If he'd died then his ring should come to me, so I'm assuming that's not what's happened. I can see flares of desire and hope throughout the building but nothing that specifically looks like Onik.

Analysis complete.

I head for the closest path to the interior of the monastery, calling my heavy armour out of subspace and phasing through a wall. Two robots are holding position inside and this time I send filaments to burrow into their CPUs and rewrite them to answer to me. Records… They don't even record the route they used to get here. They're just reacting to environmental cues. I disarm their if-destroyed directives and switch their targets to robots.

Simple programming. No one's watching and no one's feeding them instructions. They're shielded against electromagnetic radiation at levels that wouldn't fry organic creatures as easily as it would them. No easy way to destroy them.

Or rather, no easy way to destroy them all at once.

I send filaments ahead of me, having them latch onto any robots they find as I head for what looks like the monks' panic room.

"Orange Lantern Illustres to anyone listening. Report."

A swarm of vaguely spider-shaped minibots fall from the ceiling and land on my construct armour, trying to stab me with electrified leg-knives. They get nowhere in the few seconds I allow them to persist before subverting them and tossing them aside.

"Another Orange Lantern? Please, we're in our fastness but the robots will break through soon."

"Nearly there."

Down a corridor, down another, and there's the fortified retreat. And the heavy siege robots trying to blast their way through the force fields, and the dead defence turrets they targeted first.

Filaments go first, easily subverting the medium robots. Unfortunately, the siege robots have integrated force fields which means that I need to hit them with a crumbler construct-

And ignore the weak laser fire from their point defences.

-before breaking into their control centres and turning them to my purposes. There are still robots in the monastery and me destroying them will cause far less collateral damage than letting my robots do it, but finding out what happened to Onik takes priority.

"Do you know what happened to Lantern Onik?"

"I… I think the Yellow Lantern took him."

Wonderful.
 
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Great Master, in light of what we discussed I am visiting my former monastery. If possible, I would appreciate it if you could visit later today and speak with people."

"Certainly."

He smiles. "Thank you. I know that-."

His face vanishes.

"Lantern Onik?"

Time for shenanigans.

Cheap and cheerful Spider Guild model,

So the Spiders may be back to finish what they started.

"Do you know what happened to Lantern Onik?"

"I… I think the Yellow Lantern took him."

Wonderful.

So we were right about Sinestro.
 
"I… I think the Yellow Lantern took him."
Now to add an unlikely potential complication: considering ongoing religious upheaval regarding Yellow Lanterns on this planet "the Yellow Lantern took him" could be a figure of speech.

Edit: Also I just realized that the social media account crashing could actually have been Sinestro isolating and spoofing OL
 
27th August 2012
09:09 GMT


"Again!"

Lantern Toren fires construct shears at Lantern Dul's wings, and she responds by generating large construct wings and slapping his constructs aside with them. They don't shatter, but he isn't quite able to force them to hit home.
A sensible attempt to train herself to defend a weak spot. But not really the best use of her time here, is it? No matter how much she internalises the desire to keep her wings safe, it won't be automatic unless she can do something amazing with her desires.

Lantern Xor and I watch impassively for a moment.

"Is this a good training method, or has she missed the point?"
I rather fear she has, no matter how useful it might look.

"I lost my fear of heights by flying regularly. Even without my ring I don't really feel anything anymore."

"Again!"
Which is impressive. Falling is a primal fear for any creature limited to the ground. Admittedly, he's not saying it's completely gone, it just isn't very strong, eh?

"Of course, Lantern Toren doesn't want to cut her wings off, and she probably doesn't believe that he can-. I mean, doesn't know for certain that he can in the way she's certain that I could."

But while I could shoot out her defensive construct with a crumbler round or anti-construct ray, and while that might provide a better lesson that having her block attacks she knows that she can block, I'm not going to do that unless she specifically asks for it.
And even then, it'd probably be better to talk her through things. After all, there are always accidents possible with any kind of training. A mistimed dodge or momentary flutter of fear that drops a shield and she'd be spending some time getting patched up.

Xor watches them for a moment.

"You can see our souls."

"Something like that."
It's a gross oversimplification of the mechanics of empathic vision or Ophidian's Eyes, and I have no doubt Desires are the clearest part. But basically yes.

"You know our fears. You know why we fear things."

"I either know or could find out with relatively little effort, yes."
Which makes me wonder about the capabilities of a Yellow Lantern... After all, what better way to focus their efforts to play upon your fears if they can see them?

"Then why this?"

"Because I don't need to know. You need to know. You need to go through the necessary mental steps toward that realisation yourself. Me just telling you isn't the same thing. And in some people… Like Lantern Dul, there's resistance to being told about things like this by someone else."
Pride. The need for independence. Distrust. Hatred of the one speaking... There's any number of reasons for that sort of personality quirk.

"But not me."

"I don't think you'd fight against the ideas I present you. But I still think you'd have an easier time internalising them if you went through the steps-" My ring blinks. "-yourself. Illustres here?"
Ah, the outside world calls, eh? Wonder if it's a local looking for an interview, or something happening back at the Front?

Lantern Onik's face appears.

"Great Master, in light of what we discussed I am visiting my former monastery. If possible, I would appreciate it if you could visit later today and speak with people."
That's actually a sensible decision. Presumably Onik would like to introduce his Illustres to his old friends. See what they make of him. :D

"Certainly."

He smiles. "Thank you. I know that-."

His face vanishes.
:eek: ...Oh, that's not good.

Definitely not good. Time to break up the training session and haul ass.

"Lantern Xor, follow me."

I

step out, the line representing Onik's desire to speak with me leading me directly to
Dangit, OL, Xor can't move that fast! On the other hand, he can grab Dul and Toren, get some backup on the way.

his previous location, construct armour forming around me and absorbing a rocket barrage from.. that robot. Cheap and cheerful Spider Guild model, devastating to unprotected civilians and light infantry but-

I put a destructive pulse through its central processor and each of its targetters. Those things are usually set to blind fire their rockets if the signal from the CPU gets interrupted, but if I destroy the launch system-. Yes, dead.
Oh, for... Because of course something's got to make trouble. And the Spider Guild groups aren't all as friendly as the Vegan branch.

"Lantern Onik, re-"

Plasma bolts punch through the wall to my left, slamming into my environmental shield! I form a construct shield and respond with destructive pulses.
That's two. Presumably.

"-port."

I'm getting good returns on my scans, though the robots aren't mentally complex enough for me to see with empathic vision. Spider Guilders tend to fight Lanterns using ships, legions of regular robots or small numbers of super-robots. There aren't enough here to stop me. The only thing that makes sense is that it's a terror raid.
Because I doubt the battle-bots are designed to take prisoners... But what would this gain them, besides the attention of the local Green lantern? ...Or is someone else trying to direct Toren's attention elsewhere?

I think I may need to have a word with some people. Starting with the local defence force.

Ring, analyse robot computer program.
Won't take too long, it's probably not all that complex.

Compliance.

The Guild isn't supposed to have Lantern-compatible interdiction systems, but I settle for flying through what's left of the wall and shoot dumb railgun rounds through the plasma repeater robot. As it falls I grab the overloading plasma bottle and-
Because of course it's got a self-destruct/fail-dangerous function. If it's amongst enemies strong enough to bring it down, why not try to take some with you?

And as we're under a dome on a dead planetoid I can't just throw it into space, darn.

-stick it in a safe construct as it explodes. No hole in the dome so they can't have punches through there. Tunnels, tunnels, there. Don't know how they got this close, but that's a problem for five minutes from now.
Yeah, stomp mobs first, check leads later. Trying to interact with quest objects is always a pain under fire.

"Lantern Onik, report."

If he'd died then his ring should come to me, so I'm assuming that's not what's happened. I can see flares of desire and hope throughout the building but nothing that specifically looks like Onik.
Looks like he made a quick exit. Or was taken by whoever left those bots.

Analysis complete.

I head for the closest path to the interior of the monastery, calling my heavy armour out of subspace and phasing through a wall. Two robots are holding position inside and this time I send filaments to burrow into their CPUs and rewrite them to answer to me. Records… They don't even record the route they used to get here. They're just reacting to environmental cues. I disarm their if-destroyed directives and switch their targets to robots.
Definitely a frame-up. Someone wants people scared...

Simple programming. No one's watching and no one's feeding them instructions. They're shielded against electromagnetic radiation at levels that wouldn't fry organic creatures as easily as it would them. No easy way to destroy them.

Or rather, no easy way to destroy them all at once.
And the other bots won't even think of the subverted ones as threats until they start shooting. But no-one in control? they're definitely a diversion.

I send filaments ahead of me, having them latch onto any robots they find as I head for what looks like the monks' panic room.

"Orange Lantern Illustres to anyone listening. Report."
Ah, the joy of content that isn't level-scaling, when you're monstrously overlevelled. Just casually walk through the combat encounters...

A swarm of vaguely spider-shaped minibots fall from the ceiling and land on my construct armour, trying to stab me with electrified leg-knives. They get nowhere in the few seconds I allow them to persist before subverting them and tossing them aside.

"Another Orange Lantern? Please, we're in our fastness but the robots will break through soon."
...And focus on the plotline details. At least there are survivors. Who knows how many got in the way of the bots...

"Nearly there."

Down a corridor, down another, and there's the fortified retreat. And the heavy siege robots trying to blast their way through the force fields, and the dead defence turrets they targeted first.
No great threat. To a Lantern, anyway.

Filaments go first, easily subverting the medium robots. Unfortunately, the siege robots have integrated force fields which means that I need to hit them with a crumbler construct-

And ignore the weak laser fire from their point defences.
Not even a threat unless they were orange...

-before breaking into their control centres and turning them to my purposes. There are still robots in the monastery and me destroying them will cause far less collateral damage then letting my robots to it, but finding out what happened to Onik takes priority.

"Do you know what happened to Lantern Onik?"
Presumably it wasn't good if he wasn't able to interfere with the bots...

"I… I think the Yellow Lantern took him."

Wonderful.
Well, that leaves just one suspect... Unless the Yellow Corps has already gotten started.

Sinestro interrupt confirmed, then. Either the Korugaran himself or a follower. The question then becomes 'how did he take Onik down', and why? What could he want an Orange Lantern captive for? Did Onik go down fighting, or did he go willingly? With any luck, we'll be finding out soon. And finally get that long-awaited meeting between two master Lanterns.
 
Which makes me wonder about the capabilities of a Yellow Lantern... After all, what better way to focus their efforts to play upon your fears if they can see them?

You'll see more of Yellow Lantern capabilities in the next few chapters.

Oh, for... Because of course something's got to make trouble. And the Spider Guild groups aren't all as friendly as the Vegan branch.

Seeing as you mentioned Vegan, I'm now thinking about Twilight and "vegetarian" vampires.

I know you meant about the ones from Vega, but I just can't help but think of Twilight now.

how did he take Onik down',

Sinestro is an extremely skilled and experienced Lantern, so him taking down Onik, who's far less skilled and experienced, should be a piece of cake.

why? What could he want an Orange Lantern captive for

He may want a captive so OL will fight more seriously.

He is powered by fear, so he may prefer more brutal methods.

Did Onik go down fighting, or did he go willingly

Seeing as he was cut off mid sentence I'm guessing Sinestro ambushed him.
 
The Renegade has already demonstrated this a few times, though I can't remember exactly when.

When President Horne was kidnapped, he used it in Washington DC to locate him, I think, and found him with Paragon.

I would have expected yellow and/or blue speech from whoever Paragon was talking to, but I forget if colored speech happens when listening to communications from his ring.
 

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