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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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I suppose I never registered it as an issue till now, but Lynne sharing Renegade's soul never seemed to impact her behavior or abilities as far as I can see, in that she should also kind of be a New God of Conquest, right? I mean, telepathic domination can probably fall under Conquest, but she doesn't noticeably act like Renegade does, at least not in her recent appearances.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Mortalla is one of Darkseid's concubines. She is not my mother." His eyes narrow. "So, you are not a duplicate. A true duplicate would know that as I do. Unless you actually are Mortalla's son by Darkseid, in which case this I can only see your existence as an attempt to replace me."

Ah. Well, that's what I get for jumping to conclusions. And Mortalla wasn't likely to correct me over something like that, not as she was when she first arrived. She clearly knew Grayven when he was young, so perhaps..? She just thought I was referring to her maternal role rather than literally being my mother?
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You know what they say. Assumptions make an ass out of me and U.
 
DrThoth said:
I suppose I never registered it as an issue till now, but Lynne sharing Renegade's soul never seemed to impact her behavior or abilities as far as I can see, in that she should also kind of be a New God of Conquest, right? I mean, telepathic domination can probably fall under Conquest, but she doesn't noticeably act like Renegade does, at least not in her recent appearances.
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I think it's a relation thing she doesn't act like Grayven but she feels like him because she is related to him on a spiritual level.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Mortalla is one of Darkseid's concubines. She is not my mother." His eyes narrow. "So, you are not a duplicate. A true duplicate would know that as I do. Unless you actually are Mortalla's son by Darkseid, in which case this I can only see your existence as an attempt to replace me."
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So... Absolutely zero chance you actually fooled Darkseid...

Ah. Well, that's what I get for jumping to conclusions. And Mortalla wasn't likely to correct me over something like that, not as she was when she first arrived. She clearly knew Grayven when he was young, so perhaps..? She just thought I was referring to her maternal role rather than literally being my mother?
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Or perhaps she playing you for her own advantage...
 
Vaermina said:
So... Absolutely zero chance you actually fooled Darkseid...
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Father looks down on my broken body with disappointment. He knows.
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To quote another evil overlord, "Don't confuse not caring for not knowing."

Renegade is sure that Darkseid knows and is probably pretty sure that Darkseid knows that he knows. But they're both still playing along with it, Renegade because Darkseid is and Darkseid because it plays into one of his two desires, Anti-Life or entertainment.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"I am not the idiot who split his power." The purple glow intensifies. "Do you know the difference between us?"

"I'm not a dick?"

"No. Her."

Purple beams flash out NO!
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Stupid, renegade, real stupid.
He telegraphed that intent well in advance, but you stood around trying to negotiate with him instead of breaking him in half or evacuating with Lynne.
 
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I don't remember saying that.
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Just realized I never replied to this while rereading Hullavow. This is the statement I remember and was able to find but GodKiller/PaperMache mentioned an earlier post I can't casually dig up because being banned means I can't search for posts by you specifically and I'm not patient enough to sort through all the possible keywords while also having to manually filter your posts out of the hundreds of other results.
 
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While this would be an extremely terrible idea... Is it possible that Lynne incorporates the Omega Effect, rather than die from getting hit?
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She was an Anti-Life Avatar, besides that she is a reality Warper and that's a power she already had from birth.

Whatever is gonna happen, is going to be bad... for Grayven 16.
 
Old Knife said:
This will be fun.

Who was his mother?
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In the comics, random alien woman on a planet Darkseid visited once who basically confessed on her deathbed to her son that she somehow got hammered so badly that a guy with a face made out of concrete looked good to her.

Or at least, there was no actual implication it was nonconsensual.

So comics Grayven was obsessed with conquering Apokalips to get the father who abandoned him to notice him.

So really he's the New God of Daddy Issues.
 
Lynne supposedly being a reality warper didn't do her any good against the golden bitch brigade, so I don't see why she'll be any more effective against the True Grayven.

And given the stuff about being able to take anything that the Fake Grayven has . . . And noting that he had put a chunk of himself into her . . . I think maybe the purple beam is True Grayven trying to rip out that part of Fake Grayven's soul and take it for himself.
 
Nervaqus987 said:
To quote another evil overlord, "Don't confuse not caring for not knowing."

Renegade is sure that Darkseid knows and is probably pretty sure that Darkseid knows that he knows. But they're both still playing along with it, Renegade because Darkseid is and Darkseid because it plays into one of his two desires, Anti-Life or entertainment.
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This. Darkseid has no love for the real Grayven, while Renegade is undoubtedly fascinating as both entertainment and curiosity. Renegade is so unique among Apokalyptians, both in terms of his behaviors and in terms of his goals/outlook. And while Darkseid would normally have no qualms about crushing a pretender, Renegade is strong enough, clever enough, and interesting enough that Darkseid is sitting back and letting this play out. If Renegade wins, I have little doubt that Darkseid will gladly embrace Renegade cementing his identity as Grayven--after all, Renegade is far more interesting (and entertaining).

Moreover, while Renegade has told the Justice League that he plans to eventually kill Darkseid, to everyone else (and until he believes that he realistically can pull that off), Renegade has never doubted Darkseid's authority or power. Grayven wants to kill and usurp Darkseid; Renegade wants to eventually kill Darkseid but not replace him (and does not spend much time thinking about it; he spends far more time fearing and doing his best to avoid provoking/involving Darkseid, just like Darkseid likes).

And, in general, the main reason why Renegade's form of Conquest is vastly more successful is that it is a desirable (or at least acceptable) thing for most people, whilst Grayven's form is more of an existential threat to most people. This leads to fascinating turns of events and outcomes (from Darkseid's perspective), like Lynn or Artemis.
 
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"I am not the idiot who split his power." The purple glow intensifies. "Do you know the difference between us?"

"I'm not a dick?"

"No. Her."

Purple beams flash out NO!
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does anybody have the link to the arc where Paul confronted Doctor Gotham. I cannot find the "Guys from Gotham" arc in the index. and what arc did he first commission the spell eaters from septian? also where did Ren-Paul find the sword that can kill anything.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
This. Darkseid has no love for the real Grayven, while Renegade is undoubtedly fascinating as both entertainment and curiosity. Renegade is so unique among Apokalyptians, both in terms of his behaviors and in terms of his goals/outlook. And while Darkseid would normally have no qualms about crushing a pretender, Renegade is strong enough, clever enough, and interesting enough that Darkseid is sitting back and letting this play out. If Renegade wins, I have little doubt that Darkseid will gladly embrace Renegade cementing his identity as Grayven--after all, Renegade is far more interesting (and entertaining).

Moreover, while Renegade has told the Justice League that he plans to eventually kill Darkseid, to everyone else (and until he believes that he realistically can pull that off), Renegade has never doubted Darkseid's authority or power. Grayven wants to kill and usurp Darkseid; Renegade wants to eventually kill Darkseid but not replace him (and does not spend much time thinking about it; he spends far more time fearing and doing his best to avoid provoking/involving Darkseid, just like Darkseid likes).

And, in general, the main reason why Renegade's form of Conquest is vastly more successful is that it is a desirable (or at least acceptable) thing for most people, whilst Grayven's form is more of an existential threat to most people. This leads to fascinating turns of events and outcomes (from Darkseid's perspective), like Lynn or Artemis.
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Also Renegade isnt a true threat to him. Darkseid knows that it is Orion who is destined to kill him.
 
Veganism (part 18)
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    Garrick.

    A construct shield flies out even as I realise that the Omega Effect will go right through it. X-ionised shards shoot at Grayven's face even as I realise that they won't penetrate the beam and that if they do he'll regenerate the damage in moments. I begin running towards… Her? Him? I don't know, I'm just running, the fraction of a second that the Garrick formula can still affect me for feeling exactly like that before my surroundings snap back into normal speed.

    Lynne's head jerks around to see the oncoming beams while the golden woman holding her lightly tosses her towards them as she hurriedly backs off.

    The purple beams-
    HOLD.
    -appear to freeze a few centimetres from her face as she glares at it, and I feel her metaphysique combined with her mental abilities try to interface with the idea, with the godly energy of the Omega Force which resides-

    BOOM!

    -in Grayven and in Darkseid. My shield interposes itself a moment later while Grayven blocks my projectiles with a raised left forearm, his head jerking slightly as he realises that they've actually cut into his skin. I-.

    A Tamaranean woman walks up to Lynne and stamps on her, breaking her concentration and causing the purple beam to strike my construct shield and-

    It explodes, my shield failing and the deck beneath being left cratered. That's.. weaker than I expected. I lash out at the Tamaranean with a construct battering ram and she-.

    Blocks it with a construct of her own.

    Construct claws glow around her hands, which are reaching out to rip through either me or Lynne. Lynne herself triggers her aero-discs and tries to fly out of the way, but one of the gold women jumps up and grabs her by the ankles before she can clear the area.

    Qwardians are weapon traders, Lantern Grayven.

    Two purple death ray drones drop stealth and fire at her. It takes her a second to realise what's happening as her body shrivels, then her environmental shield flares and while I'm not sure if she's blocking it or not it certainly isn't killing her. And-.

    Two orange beams leap across the launch bay, each one piercing a drone and disintegrating them. Ugh, I've only got three more in the room, and with Persuader convalescing I don't have a way to get more. Against another Yellow Lantern -particularly one I don't know- I'm in difficulty. I haven't trained intensively in Lantern-to-Lantern combat because I didn't think it would come up that often.

    Lynne winces as someone marks themselves as my first target by swinging her face-first into the deck plates.

    "Ungh."

    I fly at her captor, left fist balled and held forward while my right goes for the Sword of the Fallen at my waist. It's too small to be much use against superstrength brawlers who know it's coming and aren't powered by magic -these Zamoranspawn would just take the cut and keep fighting- but it should at least be able to hurt them.

    Lynne glares back in utter contempt. **Unhand me.** **You are unworthy to even touch me, peon.**

    "That doesn't work-" The golden woman's hand opens. "-on huh?"

    My left fist hits her right in her gormless face and sends her hurtling across the deck and into her comrade. The two of them only stop when they hit-

    I go flying as a construct Grayven returns the favour, forcing me to rotate in the air and stab it with the Sword. I try concealing the weapon, but if I'm forced to keep using it like that they're bound to notice eventually.

    -the far wall. The Tamaranean woman is taking a position slightly in front of Grayven, floating off the ground with claws at the ready.

    And with Lynne around I probably am feeling more fear than she is.

    Feeling fear for others requires attachment. People of this sort feel little for few.

    But Grayven isn't acting yet. He must know that I'm-.

    His eyes glow orange and I just about manage to get a filament into position to drop a potted plant in the way. No explosion this time, just the plant evaporating. That's more like I was expecting. From what I can see of his face Grayven seems mildly surprised, but I thought it was obvious. The Omega Effect ends a life. If it blasts through any defence, then the thing to do is have a life on hand that you don't mind sacrificing.

    "Sinthia, take Muliebria and Ovula and activate the Orrery. Lay waste to Vega. I will destroy the pretender." Hear and Obey.

    BOOM!

    A new boom tube opens, the two golden women throwing themselves across the deck to get into it. Wait, Muliebri-? Really? Sinthia holds back a moment, construct claws at the ready.

    No, that's too much. I've been using this ring for long enough that I'm peeved by the idea that she can use it better than me.

    I've confronted Darkseid, accepting the fear that comes from being around someone who could extinguish me with a look. Not overcoming, no, he still terrifies me because I'm not stupid, but I was still able to function. I am at one with my fear, neither controlling it or controlled by it.

    Gravitons ripple as I gesture, and the boom tube collapses.

    Grayven's eyes narrow. "A curious approach; forcing my most capable subordinate to remain behind. But if you wish to be destroyed-"

    His eyes glow red.

    "-then-"

    Sinthia staggers, her glow dimming as Lynne assails her mind. I fly at Grayven, construct cannon forming on my left arm. Since he's a New God I'm not mucking around; singularity projector from the start.

    "-I will-"

    The beams zigzag through the air as my-.

    My singularity beam vanishes as his Omega Effect passes through it before-

    Fire again and plant!

    -the Omega Beams strike, the left one disintegrating my plant while the second redirects away from my botanical shield and through my construct gun just as the beam hits him. I see his armour and flesh deform even from the brief contact while the beam carries on-.

    BOOM.

    Grayven grabs Sinthia and falls through the boom tube as Lynne collapses.

    "Lynne?"

    Lynne's collapsed.

    "Lynne?"

    The boom tube closes.

    "Lynne?"

    "Yes-" She picks herself up. "-Daddy?"

    "I nearly had a heart attack!"

    She frowns at me. "Why?"

    "What do you mean, 'why'?"

    "You didn't that time."

    "You didn't react naturally to being slammed to the deck, so obviously you'd done something." I frown. "I got worried the first time because I couldn't see where you were wearing the Right Eye of Zoltec."

    "If people could see where it was they might take it off."

    "Alright, but you're still growing. Getting it implanted has risks."

    "I know. It's not implanted."

    "Oh." … "Let's go and capture the bridge and work out where we are."
     
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    The purple beams-
    HOLD.
    -appear to freeze a few centimetres from her face as she glares at it, and I feel her metaphysique combined with her metal abilities try to interface with the idea, with the godly energy of the Omega Force which resides-

    BOOM!

    -in Grayven and in Darkseid. My shield interposes itself a moment later while Grayven blocks my projectiles with a raise left forearm, his head jerking slightly as he realises that they've actually cut into his skin. I-.
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    Lynne glares back in utter contempt. **Unhand me.** **You are unworthy to even touch me, peon.**

    "That doesn't work-" The golden woman's hand opens. "-on huh?"
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    "Sinthia, take Muliebria and Ovula and activate the Orrery. Lay waste to Vega. I will destroy the pretender." Hear and Obey.
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    His eyes glow orange and I just about manage to get a filament into position to drop a potted plant in the way.
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    "Oh no, not again."

    Makes sense, but it kinda seems to be nerfing the Omega Effect if you can block it with a potted plant.

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    "You didn't react naturally to being slammed to the deck, so obviously you'd done something." I frown. "I got worried the first time because I couldn't see where you were wearing the Right Eye of Zoltec."
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    Missing an "I" in there
     
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    projectiles with a raise left forearm
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    'raised'

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    A Tamaranean woman walks up to Lynne and stamps on her,
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    Well Sinthia is dead.

    Mr Zoat said:
    lash out at the Tamaranean with a construct battering ram and she-.

    Blocks it with a construct of her own.
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    Yeah, she can make purple claw constructs in the comics.

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    Two purple death ray drone drop
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    'drones'

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    I fly at her captor, left fist balled and held forward while my right goes for the Sword of the Fallen at my waist. It's too small to be much use against superstrength brawlers who know it's coming and aren't powered by magic -these Zamoranspawn would just take the cut and keep fighting- but it should at least be able to hurt them.
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    Seeing as they're resistant to power rings there may be some metaphysical component there that will make the Sword work.

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    Lynne glares back in utter contempt. **Unhand me.** **You are unworthy to even touch me, peon.**
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    Just like her papa.

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    Sinthia, take Muliebria and Ovula and activate the Orrery. Lay waste to Vega. I will destroy the pretender." Hear and Obey.
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    Orrery?

    Don't tell me he visited 40k.

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    Wait, Muliebri-? Really?
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    There are Apokaliptians named Stompa, Lashina, Darkseid etc.

    It's not that weird.

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    The one that grants invulnerability and the one renegade got when he killed that jingoistic British guy.

    So Sinthia has a Yellow Power ring here?
     
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    Well, if it was ALL the Omega Effect rather than being just a different type of eye beam . . . Now I have no idea what the colors could mean.

    I assumed the Omega Effect was just the Omega Effect, so what's the difference between the purple, orange, and red beams?
     
    How come the Omega Effect kept changing colors? First it was purple then orange then red.
     
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