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Theo Anders and the Black Exaltation[Worm/Exalted][Hiatus]

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[X] Plan Larekko12

that dress is shwanky
 
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Skitzyfrenic said:
Or it could be poor remembering, personal interpretations of the actions Carol Dallon has taken towards her adopted daughter that TDP is aware of, projecting his own issues onto Amy who also seemed worn down by the world, personal interpretation that Amy Dallon is, in fact, hands down, the greatest Hero on New Wave and a great dislike of Carol and Victoria Dallon further tainting TDP's perception of the situation.

You, Larekko12 don't feel that way, but TDP does. TDP also thinks Dean Stansfield is giant fucking douchebag, but I'm sure that lots of other people think Dean is a really nice guy. There are some thoughts that get thrown in there, they're from TDP's PoV. I can't stop and ask for a vote every time I want TDP to do something. We'd never get anywhere.

We have a bunch of meta-knowledge that TDP doesn't have access to. Like Parian's trigger. That Taylor Hebert is slated to receive the QA shard and save the world by being Khepri. That Cauldron exists. That Eidolon wanted worthy opponents. That Amy is the daughter of the Marquis. That Tattletale is asexual.

To TDP Emma Barnes is something of an up and coming model local to the city, and something of a low rung socialite (generally polite, very good looking, but a little bitchy every now and again) due to her father's connections. To all of us, she's a crazy, crazy girl who punished her best friend for grieving her [Taylor's] mother and desperately needs therapy. As another example.
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I'm not talking about meta knowledge of projecting but what your putting as your canon to base that projection off of.

I'm not challenging that he can dislike Carol, Dean and Vicky becuase they don't like his family and put their I know your bad face on. (Though I'm not sure about Dean that could go either way depending on expsoure and coincidence and him have gotten a bit too much from dad.) I'm challenging that Lawyer mom would actually Panacea and my daughter glory girl in public to base the claim
 
[X] Disbelief - "No way, why didn't you say something before if that was true?"
-[X] Stunt: "Oh My, it's only about the power and not the ideology! I am completely shocked by this revelation, because I am a complete idiot. I'd have never thought of you as power hungry, cause it's not like I've spend five minutes in your company. The question here is why you try to form an emotional bond to me by *airquotes* "letting me see behind the Mask" only now, after I've triggered, when my trigger was more or less inevitable. I mean, as my father you could have gotten it for free if you started a little sooner." If he tells you about how you've changed after triggering, how you've gotten more confident or something like that, answer: "No, I've not. It's just that I'm pretty now, so when I'm confident people see me being confident instead of thinking I'm posturing. I'm the same person, it's just that I now look the part."
 
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Larekko12 said:
I'm challenging that Lawyer mom would actually Panacea and my daughter glory girl in public to base the claim
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Skitzyfrenic said:
Or it could be poor remembering, personal interpretations of the actions Carol Dallon has taken towards her adopted daughter that TDP is aware of, projecting his own issues onto Amy who also seemed worn down by the world, personal interpretation that Amy Dallon is, in fact, hands down, the greatest Hero on New Wave and a great dislike of Carol and Victoria Dallon further tainting TDP's perception of the situation.
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Because people like you and I would notice that kind of shit, and it probably would have come up in canon if it were true. Hence the long spiel about how we view things from a meta perspective, and TDP views it from his perspective. TDP sees that Carol Dallon is a twat muffin super cunt badmom. That doesn't mean she's going to be one in public, but TDP *thinks* she has and is baffled by the lack of people going 'wtf brandish worst mom NA.'

Edit: Upon re-reading the post I self quoted, I had a poor transition into the vs perspective bit. I meant to use it as a metaphor.
 
Skitzyfrenic said:
Because people like you and I would notice that kind of shit, and it probably would have come up in canon if it were true. Hence the long spiel about how we view things from a meta perspective, and TDP views it from his perspective. TDP sees that Carol Dallon is a twat muffin super cunt badmom. That doesn't mean she's going to be one in public, but TDP *thinks* she has and is baffled by the lack of people going 'wtf brandish worst mom NA.'

Edit: Upon re-reading the post I self quoted, I had a poor transition into the vs perspective bit. I meant to use it as a metaphor.
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Ok.

So on to more improtant things. We need to find out we have personal mote pool or stop spending motes.
 
Marthis said:
Implying someone is a neo-nazi is hard to prove if they don't do it into a microphone or write it down.
It is very hard to get a conviction without evidence of wrongdoing as this would devolve into He-said she-said.
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She does it frequently enough that it has stunted Theo's social life. Practically everyone has a cell phone. Even if Theo didn't have the wherewithal to record her, someone would have... Especially considering that Theo is hardly the only Empire 88 kid at the school.

At the very least, it's the kind of unfounded gossip that would sell newspaper. And even if that didn't happen kids do talk to their parents, and Arcadia is the good school, the one where the affluent people send their children. It's the kind of thing that would get back to Max somehow.

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Theo is about Taylor's age and goes to Arcadia(It is a very good school, and so it was acceptable when Theo asked to go there instead of Immaculata), Gwen (who is also 15) goes to Immaculata, under a false 'legal' name. Theo doesn't have friends so much as people is friendly with. Most of the people he's immediately surrounded with are sympathizers or children of the well off members of the Empire who aren't well off enough to afford Immaculata, but his acquaintances are a bit more far flung, its in part camouflage for Theo and part intel on his son's activities for Max.
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Max already has an info-web on his son.
 
Oh i don't mean that he doesn't know that some people think he's a Neo-Nazi. I think he can't prove it and doesn't want to create a media circus about it.
He's got a lot more to hide than Neo-Nazi sympathies and a lot less public sympathy than one of the Leaders of New Wave.
Plus, if things get looked into, there are enough links between Max Anders and E88 sympathetic people and businesses to raise a few eyebrows.
He's a bigot, not an idiot.
 
dasstan said:
I'm mostly concerned with the whole... character assassination thing against one of the richest men in the city by secret identity-less cape. How has Max not sued the shit out of New Wave, yet?
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Because it would look like "the lady doth protest too much" if Max raised a legal fuss in public if he sued for slander because some kid is bullying Theo.
 
dasstan said:
I'm mostly concerned with the whole... character assassination thing against one of the richest men in the city by secret identity-less cape. How has Max not sued the shit out of New Wave, yet?
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A whisper campaign can be very subtle, and she may be saying and implying things that wouldn't rise to the level of slander. There's also the issue that the allegations are actually true and a trial would be absolutely disastrous for Max.

"So is it not true, Max Anders, that you are in fact the notorious crime lord Kaiser?"
 
Snake/Eater said:
Because it would look like "the lady doth protest too much" if Max raised a legal fuss in public if he sued for slander because some kid is bullying Theo.
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Prominent local superhero accuses one of city's biggest employers of being a Neo-Nazi. That's less a matter of 'the lady doth protest too much' and "Hey, Mrs. Dallon, reel in your child before I leave you penniless."
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He's got a lot more to hide than Neo-Nazi sympathies and a lot less public sympathy than one of the Leaders of New Wave.
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I'm not sure I agree with the bolded portion. New Wave hasn't really done anything major since the Bad Old Days. If Max is trying to present a good public face, then he's probably heavily involved with local charities and the like.
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Plus, if things get looked into, there are enough links between Max Anders and E88 sympathetic people and businesses to raise a few eyebrows.
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Doesn't the Empire make use of The Number Man? I don't think he allows tangible links between the criminal and the civilian side of things.
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A whisper campaign can be very subtle, and she may be saying and implying things that wouldn't rise to the level of slander. There's also the issue that the allegations are actually true and a trial would be absolutely disastrous for Max.

"So is it not true, Max Anders, that you are in fact the notorious crime lord Kaiser?"
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A civil suit rather than a criminal one, then. Or even Max talking to Carol about it. I can rationalize it away as having happened once or twice, enough to tar Theo with it, but the idea that it continues to happen, and happen frequently is SoD breaking.
 
I must admit, the one thing that disappointed me about this update was the cruel damage it did to the Dark Glory ship.

More seriously, Theo really needs to learn how to exclusively tap his personal essence pool. Normal people don't spontaneously bleed from their foreheads.
 
Dean could also see the sheer lust the new TDP causes in GG and it could cause a break up leading to GG deciding to 'go undercover' as TDPs gf and the shenanigans that ensue where she's 'getting conformation of his naziness' but really enjoying other aspects of TDP and that's if he deigns to allow her to enjoy his body.
 
[X] Agreement - "That's... rather close to what I was thinking. Minus hormones."
-[X] Think quietly to self: "Huh. My old man is pretty understanding and gracious, for a murderous bastard. It's going to be more difficult to end him than I had previously expected."

[X] Bank and putz around

[X] At the party, treat Sabah like a friend: close, not cordial; familiar, but not flirty.
 
Hmm,I think we should agree with dad in this case,spite him with disbelieve don't help anything.

I know we voter hate nazi and vote for agree is made voter like stealth bigot,but try to play form theo perspective,we just dying once because we don't agree with our dad.

Avoid disagreement atleast for now,dad is our asset,we can wait until we are stronger to change empire form nazi to nationalism/capitalism.
 
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Dean could also see the sheer lust the new TDP causes in GG and it could cause a break up leading to GG deciding to 'go undercover' as TDPs gf and the shenanigans that ensue where she's 'getting conformation of his naziness' but really enjoying other aspects of TDP and that's if he deigns to allow her to enjoy his body.
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Victoria's not that Shallow nor stupid. She's not Talyor. We'll need to push that super human socialize and trade on her morals. And how really sucky she's made our life. Make her the bad guy then build her back up into a good guy trading on her righteousness and violent impulses towards the immoral.


EDIT: Our. How she's murdered our social life. Maybe even bring up lableling theory and the self fullfilling prophecy of racist pigeonholes that make you radioactive to everyone but other racists creating the us vs them feeling that is the root and the most virulent forms of racism and nationalism.
 
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Well,I think nazi and nazi sympathyzer is sensitive topic,as good citizen ,Victoria is try to do something like and protect moral of society.

But human and society is complicate,we are not our family or our parent,
For example ,I used to joke with my friend when we eat steak that his religious should not allow to eat beef,he response that " he is not his family".

Victoria may be have good intention but sometime she will put people to become her enemy with that attitude.

I want to have Theo said in the future " I am not bigot,I hire illegal immigrant with lower wage to bring more profit to company,try to avoid to hire cheap labour because of their race is pure dumb".Well,in some way capitalism made everyone become equal opportinuty evil.
 
Eh. That's trading one brand of dick for another brand of dick and one Dean is unlikely to actually be apart of.


Edit: And a thing in worm seems to be all dickening is created equal to force ideology aside unless you're hit by it.
 
Larekko12 said:
Eh. That's trading one brand of dick for another brand of dick and one Dean is unlikely to actually be apart of.


Edit: And a thing in worm seems to be all dickening is created equal to force ideology aside unless you're hit by it.
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Trade one asshole to other ,yes,but society can tolerate coperate asshole more than Nazism.

USA can tolerate Bush but not Hitler.Greed is kind of one of deadly sin that if you don't broke the law to pursuit it then everyone can accept it.
 
skaro said:
Trade one asshole to other ,yes,but society can tolerate coperate asshole more than Nazism.

USA can tolerate Bush but not Hitler.Greed is kind of one of deadly sin that if you don't broke the law to pursuit it then everyone can accept it.
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I always felt that Worm as more egalitarian about things like that for good or ill.
 
skaro said:
Trade one asshole to other ,yes,but society can tolerate coperate asshole more than Nazism.

USA can tolerate Bush but not Hitler.Greed is kind of one of deadly sin that if you don't broke the law to pursuit it then everyone can accept it.
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Here's the thing, Nazism is basically "National Socialism" in short. People like to use the word Nazi as if it is pure evil. It is not.

It is people that are evil, not political ideology.

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. The Nazis sought to achieve this by a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft) with the aim of uniting all Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische). It rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed ideas of class equality and international solidarity, and sought to defend private property and businesses.
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Ideologies when taken to extremes, that is when people suffer. It doesn't matter which ideology is taken to extremes, it's all ideology.

But it takes more than one person to take an ideology or a government to extremes. It is the people who follow along, for the sake of safety, for the security of their homeland, for the protection of jobs and traditional values, who don't stop to ask... is this the right thing. Or go we were just following orders. That is what drives an ideology or a nation to extremes.

Hitler, when you get down to it, was just a man with a talent for public speaking, who at the right time, the right place, and in the right environment, convince the people around him that they should follow him. That he would right the wrongs done to them, that he would fix the economy, that he would bring back the pride and honor that they had.

And when he got into power, he was successful enough that they kept following him even as he started to go to the extremes.

So, in and of itself, Nazism is not evil or bad. Much like capitalism in and of itself is not evil or bad or good.
 
Larekko12 said:
I mean in the we call our dicks and look down on them equally sense.
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Yeah,that too but atleast we are not bigot,we are just greedy bussiness man.

I think historical context is also prove that bigot don't paid well like cheap labour,Many coperation usually found their factory on third world country and paid with lower wage.The worker complain about their wage and breaking back work hour but they hate to not have job more.As long as they paid on time and don't cheat then everything will be fine.
 
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