Alexander
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Yes, yes, you will get a post. I am just doing some research.EternitynChaos said:btw, Alexander just wondering, are we going to get a story post today or was the omake it for today? *figure asking is better then refreshing the thread for the next 4-6 hours in desperate hope /laugh*
Noctum said:Hah! Both are sooo going to regret this later.
Also, poking through the Cosmic Dragon Charms, most looked quite good but I have issues with a few points.
This might become an issue at high Essence. Being able to No Sell attacks without worry is something of a problem. All Perfect Defences have some flaw that can be exploited if you know what you're doing. Even Malfeas' Imperfection can be bypassed if you remove the user from a city. I'd suggest changing this.
I really hope this doesn't come to pass. Over on SB there's a few very good essays by Aleph and a others that explain just why that I'm searching for. I'll post them when I find 'em.helping the Unconquered Sun taking care of Creation and challenging him to a duel every time he tries to go back to the Game of Divinity...
This one?Least Devotee said:I really hope this doesn't come to pass. Over on SB there's a few very good essays by Aleph and a others that explain just why that I'm searching for. I'll post them when I find 'em.
This bear the question:First off, apologies for snapping at you earlier in the thread. That was an overreaction, I was far harsher than I should have been. I'm sorry for that.
Now, the quote. Others have dissected the points there, so I won't address them again save to say that whoever wrote it seems to have their tongue glued to Autochthon's ass to the point of outright inventing stuff out of whole cloth. But regarding point 3, it made me thing - I may have said this before, but it's worth bringing up again - that it's interesting that there seems to be a widespread viewpoint among parts of the fanbase that the Incarnae have some sort of inherent responsibility to fix Creation and keep it happy and peaceful and cool and so on and so forth.
Which is actually kind of disturbing, when you think about it.
I mean, the Primordials made them as slaves. That's literally what they were, sentient beings of incredible power who were enslaved, shackled to their masters, prevented from raising a hand against them and forced to guard and protect and run Creation for... how long? Aeons, at least. The Primordials were casually terrible to the lives of the mortals under them, but at least their suffering didn't last long. Sixty, perhaps seventy years at the most. But the Incarna? They laboured in their chains for centuries, perhaps millennia.
And they finally found a way to escape. They began to plan a rebellion, Autochthon and Gaia sided with them, the Exalted were made and set loose. They won.
And their aeons-long enslavement was finally broken. They didn't want to go back to their old jobs - and they didn't need to, the Exalted wanted that job. The Incarna didn't "cop out" to go play the Games of Divinity, they retired. Resigned. Turned in their six weeks notice and went off to the nursing home to play Cosmic Scrabble. The torch had been passed onto the Exalted, the world was theirs now - and indeed, collectively the Exalted were probably more powerful than the Incarna, as long as Sol's Perfect Invulnerability comes into play. Even if they wanted to reign over Creation again - a thankless task involving enormous amounts of work and effort which never, ever stops - it's been made a thousand times harder by the Exalted's role in affairs. Pointing at Creation and going "do something about this" - when the Exalted who are meant to be in charge are and have for a long time been part of the problem - is essentially trying to kick them back into that exact same cycle of slavery.
I guess what I'm saying is basically... whenever I see someone criticise the Incarnae for sitting in the Jade Pleasure Dome and playing the Games of Divinity, or planning to open the Sun's eyes and turn him back to Creation, or advocate making them all start doing "their jobs" again as a good thing, I get this image of a teenager pointing at a group of old retired war heroes relaxing in a care home around a game of backgammon and demanding that they go out and fight in whatever modern conflict is currently causing the biggest problem. For free. And with the unspoken qualification of "and after you've done that, find the next one and solve that too".
I didn't actually come around to that way of thinking for quite some time until someone pointed it out to me, at which point my empathy for the Unconquered Sun abruptly skyrocketed and I began sympathising with him considerably. He's a retired war hero who's had enough of defending Creation; now he just wants a peaceful life. He's happy enough to give his blessing to the next generation of heroes, but he doesn't want to take part in their heroics himself anymore. And I guess Luna, in that analogy, would be the retired granny who still volunteers at half a dozen places around town whenever she's bored of the house and who goes out and about a lot to help and/or troll people around the neighbourhood. Luna is fun like that.
Ah, yes. Yes it is. Thank you. You wouldn't happen to have a link would you?Alexander said:
Quite simply I believe that if the Incarnae have to deal with something it means that we have explicitly failed and the entire Exalted Host alongside us. If such came to pass and by some miracle we managed to survive I imagine Bright would be bitching us out for centuries for such a fuck up. Should such a nightmare come to pass it would not fall to the Incarnae to fix all the worlds problems, but us the fuck ups and failures as a way to atone.This bear the question:
If Creation is in danger of going Kaboom, either by Neverborn, Raksha or Yozi, would you still excuse the Incarnae?
When it's their asses that will go Kaboom too if they don't do something?
It already happened once. It was when the Balorian invasion happened right after the great plague. They sat on their asses and did nothing. It was only luck that creation is still around.Alexander said:This one?This bear the question:
If Creation is in danger of going Kaboom, either by Neverborn, Raksha or Yozi, would you still excuse the Incarnae?
When it's their asses that will go Kaboom too if they don't do something?
http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-exalted-discussion-roll-join-debate.225385/page-136#post-10538219Least Devotee said:Ah, yes. Yes it is. Thank you. You wouldn't happen to have a link would you?
Point. That is way I changed the line:Quite simply I believe that if the Incarnae have to deal with something it means that we have explicitly failed and the entire Exalted Host alongside us. If such came to pass and by some miracle we managed to survive I imagine Bright would be bitching us out for centuries for such a fuck up. Should such a nightmare come to pass it would not fall to the Incarnae to fix all the worlds problems, but us the fuck ups and failures as a way to atone.
There. Issei took UCS's job as the guide for other Exalts (he already handed back his own Exaltation since he didn't need it anymore. Hopefully he will not do a half-assed job.looking after Creation and the Exalts in place of the Unconquered Sun
Yup. Whatever right they had to rest (I am ready to admit it) pales a little in the face of billions of dead people and 90% of Creation going kaput.nightblade said:It already happened once. It was when the Balorian invasion happened right after the great plague. They sat on their asses and did nothing. It was only luck that creation is still around.
Alexander said:Madoka as Madoka Kaname from PMMM, her Madokami incarnation.Uhm, would something inspired by the Valor Flaw works? The user needs to face the opponent head-on and can't run away?
I like it. Changing.
By being conceptually "heavy" enough. All three of them embody a concept, so even the super-enhanced Charisma has no easy sway on them. Oh, it works alright, but Madoka and Yukari are powerful enough to avoid going all "love-struck". Not that Yukari didn't take care of Issei's willingness. Far from it. Poor(?) woman ended quite shaken from the experience. There is a reason she was reluctant to admit Issei into Gensokyo after all.Heaven Canceler said:Question, how did Yukari and Madoka avoid getting all kinds of crazy for Issei? Though no wonder that Madoka wouldn't let him in. Especially if Homura was somewhere in there.
Alexander said:By being conceptually "heavy" enough. All three of them embody a concept, so even the super-enhanced Charisma has no easy sway on them. Oh, it works alright, but Madoka and Yukari are powerful enough to avoid going all "love-struck". Not that Yukari didn't take care of Issei's willingness. Far from it. Poor(?) woman ended quite shaken from the experience. There is a reason she was reluctant to admit Issei into Gensokyo after all.
By the time the omake happens Issei has gained quite a reputation among other nigh-omnipotent beings.
Thanks.Alexander said:http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-exalted-discussion-roll-join-debate.225385/page-136#post-10538219
Ah, hadn't seen that.
Eh, there's some parts of this I dissagree with. But I'm not really willing to argue about.There. Issei took UCS's job as the guide for other Exalts (he already handed back his own Exaltation since he didn't need it anymore. Hopefully he will not do a half-assed job.
Agreed, they both suck.In short? Gods suck. Human leaders too, but at least the latter move their sorry asses.
None, we're just that good.Introspective Tinkerer said:Wait, when we ascend we'll become a memetic sex god? That's awesome and hilarious. How many lovers quarrels do you think we have solved by that point huh?
Right.Diller said:So it works but they control themselves thanks to being on the same level of existence as him and knowing exactly what he does to females.
Right?
Let's not then. I doubt we can convince each other, so it's best to leave it at that.Least Devotee said:Eh, there's some parts of this I dissagree with. But I'm not really willing to argue about.
EternitynChaos said:Come on Issei, here's hoping this time the first words that come out of your mouth are not 'Please Marry Me' like with Asia /laugh at least she didn't know what you were saying that the time /laugh
None the less, this should be amusing