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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Well... That's going nowhere good...

Let's just hope he doesn't go full on rapeman...
 
DrThoth said:
Evil-Paul should probably view Kon similarly to Artemis, if Paragon's history is any indication, so who knows who'll be safe? Hopefully avoiding the implications of the Depraved Bisexual trope.
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Kon is apparently a girl in this universe, so I doubt she's safe.

Flightless Man said:
Way i see it, this chapter was basically done as a window into Grayven. this chapter feels pointless if it doesn't connect to either main story. So i don't see how it works with paragon, It feels like confirmation/hint of Grayvens eventual intent and how the pony relationship will end.
Or im wrong and it ties to something else,
or was essentially pointless (maybe he has a handful of alt chapters he releases when he needs time to finish a main chap)
Or was like some of the earlier alt realities like the Alt Zatana with alt Paul instead of giving everyone main paul and zatana(for good logical reasons) a way to go here is a version of what you want but not in main verse.
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I don't know how you got the idea that this involved renegade or anything like that.

For the past several chapters Zoat has been showing us alternate Paul's and what they are doing, this is another such chapter.

This chapter was meant to show us how Tangseid, who showed up in the Plutonian episode, came to be evil.

transhumansage said:
what is tangseid short for? i know part of the name is supposed to resemble darksied but i dont know where tang comes from.
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Zoat just named him that.

transhumansage said:
what universe is this one in and which chapter is his first appearance? its not organised according to the alternate pauls.
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Mr Zoat said:
Sybarite (part 1)
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It's at the end of the Hoard episode.

It's a version of the YJ universe.

transhumansage said:
is baul the one who had the anti-green lantern ring?
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No, he's the one with the blue ring.

transhumansage said:
why doesnt the stuff work on him again? is it because he was soulless when he came. i thought that got fixed.
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This Paul has just been in this universe for a month now.

It's August now and he showed up in July, so still no soul.

BlueMangoAdea said:
Hmm. This was the explanation for Tangseid, so I am inclined to think that this is Tangseid's origin story, basically.
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Looks like it.

Redhawk said:
Who the fuck is this?
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An evil version of Paul.
 
Darko said:
Kon is apparently a girl in this universe, so I doubt she's safe.
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My point is even if he was a boy, he shouldn't be safe, based on the SI's established sexuality.

I didn't think Cir-El was just female Kon actually, just another of the endless characters with the name Supergirl (or variations thereof) who always show up in the story.
 
Darko said:
I don't know how you got the idea that this involved renegade or anything like that.

For the past several chapters Zoat has been showing us alternate Paul's and what they are doing, this is another such chapter.

This chapter was meant to show us how Tangseid, who showed up in the Plutonian episode, came to be evil.
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I feel the alternates are being used to show us what we whine for, only twisted. Or are being used as hints. Im not so much examining what was said, but why Zoat wrote it. I've always been more interested in behind the scenes and watching things with directors commentary. I like knowing why a decision was made and i'm more interested in discovering why choices are made a certain way. I'm trying to figure out why showing us this now, was important.
 
DrThoth said:
was actually thinking recently that Renegade never really evaluated any men he encountered as potential sexual or romantic partners, even in his early days of tentacle orgy cults. The most we've got is a homoerotic joke to Guy, I believe. I guess he's now with Luna so it isn't as pertinent.
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I guess that's happens because he is more alternate in his way of thinking that other Pauls. As in even before getting the Serum he tended to think in selfish ways and cost benefits. And he didn't mind losing his sense of touch since he could fake it with his ring.

This evil Paul was... too stupid besides a perfectionist. Since you have to he a dumbass to think animal testing is enough to test things on yourself. And he also blindly trust his ring to not screw him over.

When even the Sibarite is smarter, you know you goofed.
 
Flightless Man said:
I feel the alternates are being used to show us what we whine for, only twisted. Or are being used as hints. Im not so much examining what was said, but why Zoat wrote it. I've always been more interested in behind the scenes and watching things with directors commentary. I like knowing why a decision was made and i'm more interested in discovering why choices are made a certain way. I'm trying to figure out why showing us this now, was important.
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Yeah I can see that.

Tangseid is basically what we get if we want a more ruthless and controlling version of paragon, because a lot of us, hell even me at one point, wanted that kind of version.

Him being evil wasn't on demand though.
 
Pinklestia said:
I guess that's happens because he is more alternate in his way of thinking that other Pauls. As in even before getting the Serum he tended to think in selfish ways and cost benefits. And he didn't mind losing his sense of touch since he could fake it with his ring.

This evil Paul was... too stupid besides a perfectionist. Since you have to he a dumbass to think animal testing is enough to test things on yourself. And he also blindly trust his ring to not screw him over.

When even the Sibarite is smarter, you know you goofed.
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I wouldn't say this Paul was particularly more stupid then any of the others. It's just that he didn't have the dues ex machina protection the others enjoy that protect them from the downsides of their stupid decisions.

For example those tattoos Paragon had carved onto his soul? Canonically they have the serious downside of killing a being if they ever go to Hell.
 
transhumansage said:
what is tangseid short for? i know part of the name is supposed to resemble darksied but i dont know where tang comes from.
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Tang is an orange coloured powdered drink mix brand. Alternatively, tangerines are fruit with orange peels. Either way, put it together with Darkseid (because this version of Paul is a sick monster like Big D, but orange) and you get Tangseid.
 
Tangseid origin history is finally canonized. His first appearance was after fhe cross over episode that had all the Pauls fighting the guy that watched the origin of the universe and caused entropy.

Apparently slowly sauntered towards evil after a super soldier evil potion made him evil (going to guess his weak arcane presence/soul is what is makes the process slow, otherwise the effects of the evil potion would be more readily apparent).

This is unlikely to be relevant for a while IE the next cross over episode happpens.
 
init101 said:
Exactly what did he inject himself with?
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Sugar, spice and everything EVIL!
The sample was glowing green and if he held if without a ring he would've heard maniacal cackling and gigglesnorts. Sounds like some obscure DC take on Erskine's super soldier serum. Paul turned himself into Red Skull (just ya know, Orange).

Do we know why he was so desparate for a power up? He had a lantern right? That's why he could afford to mind rape (and then literally rape) everyone and their dog.
 
Chaoswind said:
Tangseid origin history is finally canonized. His first appearance was after fhe cross over episode that had all the Pauls fighting the guy that watched the origin of the universe and caused entropy.

Apparently slowly sauntered towards evil after a super soldier evil potion made him evil (going to guess his weak arcane presence/soul is what is makes the process slow, otherwise the effects of the evil potion would be more readily apparent).

This is unlikely to be relevant for a while IE the next cross over episode happpens.
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The serum could have been purely chemical and not alchemical, kinda like the serum the Red Skull took that increased his sociopathic tendencies.
 
Agent Orange said:
Sugar, spice and everything EVIL!
The sample was glowing green and if he held if without a ring he would've heard maniacal cackling and gigglesnorts. Sounds like some obscure DC take on Erskine's super soldier serum. Paul turned himself into Red Skull (just ya know, Orange).

Do we know why he was so desparate for a power up? He had a lantern right? That's why he could afford to mind rape (and then literally rape) everyone and their dog.
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He may have been worried that he could lose his ring or run out of charge during a fight and become helpless, so wanted to give himself some upgrades.
 
Dr Jekyll's formula, or a derivative thereof, showed up in Seven Soldiers: Bulleteer. It was green.

It's what supposedly turned Sally Sonic into such a psycho. You know, ignoring the years of abuse that could legitimately break someone without such excuses.

Either the formula was altered or they got lucky.

The actual Hyde showed up in Xombi. He looked like a furry ogre who survived Jekyll's death like something out of Immortal Hulk.
 
Agent Orange said:
Sugar, spice and everything EVIL!
The sample was glowing green and if he held if without a ring he would've heard maniacal cackling and gigglesnorts. Sounds like some obscure DC take on Erskine's super soldier serum. Paul turned himself into Red Skull (just ya know, Orange).

Do we know why he was so desparate for a power up? He had a lantern right? That's why he could afford to mind rape (and then literally rape) everyone and their dog.
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!Want Shinies!, I think. This Paul looks like he's been searching for a power-up for a long time. Maybe it started as a curiosity, but his ring pushed his unenlightened desires towards obsession. And once he had the serum, and he couldn't find anything wrong with it using a power ring, why not?

What could possibly go wrong?
 
Agent Orange said:
Why is it that all of cinematic Hydes look like Hulks recently? Wasn't he smaller than Jekyll in the book? I don't remember anything about him turning into a Hulk.
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Yes, smaller than Jekyll, but in the book Hyde was growing bigger.

So there is an excuse for that in stories that take place after Jekyll's death in the book like in Xombi or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Stories that have people immediately hulk out after taking the formula, that's probably cultural osmosis from the Hulk, I figure.

Or maybe just a case of a visual medium. "Oh no, he's turned into a tiny evil person! The horror! The horror!" doesn't play as well as "Oh no, he's turned into an evil ogre of a man! The horror! The horror!"
 
BlueMangoAdea said:
Maybe it started as a curiosity, but his ring pushed his unenlightened desires towards obsession.
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I guess that shows that using a mind affecting drug while wearing a mind affecting piece of jewellery is less than wise. Who would've thunk. Lesson learned I guess.

Now I have to wonder if Deathly Hallows would've been more interesting if Harry had more than one horcrux on his person.
 
Agent Orange said:
I guess that shows that using a mind affecting drug while wearing a mind affecting piece of jewellery is less than wise. Who would've thunk. Lesson learned I guess.
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Mr Zoat said:
Ring, monitor physiology and behaviour and inform me of any changed from baseline. Confirm command.
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Looks like he took some precautions, but problem with mind alteration is that once your mind has been altered to want different things, why would the new you want to go back? Additionally, you can't force your future changed self back to present baseline with an orange power ring, because your current desire-set would be non-existent by the time your future altered-self's changes are detected by the power ring.
 
You can preprogram rings to execute commands. It doesn't take a superhuman planning ability to add 'and revert me to baseline/previous benchmark. Ignore any commands to the contrary.'

Stsword, was this serum actually called Hyde serum? And was the inventor actually called Jekyll? In universe that is? I know Paul has Oh Shiny! problem at this point of story but you'd think knowing the name and backstory behind the superserum would be enough of a hint even for Paul. I mean this early on he still had enough left over genre savvy to act like an actual person which includes basic trope awareness right? It was only post-Ophidian that he went native.
 
Agent Orange said:
You can preprogram rings to execute commands. It doesn't take a superhuman planning ability to add 'and revert me to baseline/previous benchmark. Ignore any commands to the contrary.'
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Do preprograms even work if the current user doesn't want it to work? I mean, all actions by power rings require the emotion for it, don't they?
 
Agent Orange said:
You can preprogram rings to execute commands. It doesn't take a superhuman planning ability to add 'and revert me to baseline/previous benchmark. Ignore any commands to the contrary.'

Stsword, was this serum actually called Hyde serum? And was the inventor actually called Jekyll? In universe that is? I know Paul has Oh Shiny! problem at this point of story but you'd think knowing the name and backstory behind the superserum would be enough of a hint even for Paul. I mean this early on he still had enough left over genre savvy to act like an actual person which includes basic trope awareness right? It was only post-Ophidian that he went native.
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He may not know about the name or backstory of this serum, but just found it somewhere and tested it on some animals before using it on himself.
 
BlueMangoAdea said:
all actions by power rings require the emotion for it, don't they?
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Considering that he didn't suffocate while still unconscious at the beginning of the story I'd say that at least some functions don't require user to feel anything in particular. Also, how do you think rings look for new users after the current one croaks.
 
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