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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Chojin Patriarch said:
I don't think the flesh needs healing as much as the spirit does, OL. Even amongst the Amazons, she's unique, after all
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And this version of them may not fully know what to do with her since something like her may have never existed there, unlike in Earth 16.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Or it's simply something unique to the Diana of Earth-Hell, and others more closely based upon the core timeline. Like Earth-50's Diana, possibly
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Renegade did say that Diana 50 could probably get her powers back if she buried herself, though I'm not sure if it would have really worked or if renegade was going off on knowledge that doesn't apply to her.

She did get her powers back, but I'm not sure if it was mentioned that she buried herself.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Different universes, different rules. There's probably at least one universe out there where she's literally animated clay. Like a golem-cum-greek statue sort of thing.
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There was that whole DC 1.000.000 thing where the Amazons of the future were sapient marble statues.
 
Darko said:
I think Zoat once mentioned that they don't exist on Earth 16.

I could be wrong or he may change his mind though.
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I meant more when Diana 666 is told by the Amazons of Earth 10, and if Paul learns of it and makes it part of report, which Diana 16 will read.

Darko said:
She did get her powers back, but I'm not sure if it was mentioned that she buried herself.
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I believe her making an apology and putting herself at the judgement of her goddesses for her actions after binding herself with her lasso was what restored Diana 50's powers.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Nazis who can still learn to be better."
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Say what now? I still think a Cultural Revolution is the best bet but the non true Nazis are the ones most likely of change.
Darko said:
I remember renegade mentioning to Diana from Earth 50 that if she wanted her powers back then she just needs to bury herself in a sacred grove.
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I thought he said she had to go to the temples of the goddesses she got her gifts from and pray forgiveness and make an offering?
Mr Zoat said:
"Perhaps. Who rules here? I must discuss the matter with them."
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Currently fighting on your Earth.
Chojin Patriarch said:
(As for the designation, Earth-666 is taken by the Lucifer TV series, apparently. But given that even the Marvel Universes have designations in the DC Notation... Anything goes in Mr Zoat's story.)
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Given how many 'verses there are with the same numberings? I would say something like "Going to college most students usually gets 1 Major and maybe a Minor or 2 Majors if they are feeling like over achievers. But in the Arrowverse of the DC's section of the multiverse? Earth - 2 has a lot of stupidly smart genuises as the norm. Like it's common to get 4 or 5 Majors!"
All because of that one off hand comment his daughter makes that 1 episode of The Flash.
 
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Wetbananas said:
I think Zoat has blocked Vaermina.
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Hidden Variable said:
Most of us have. He rarely provides any actually decent feedback. He tries to backseat write Zoat. And keeps saying that Zoat keeps getting the details wrong in Zoat's own custom AU blend of YJ and old DC.

Telling a writer to write a story your way instead of their way is sort of cringe.

And the few interesting comments I have seen Vaermina make almost seemed designed to be subversive and deceptive.
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Huh. My pet theory was always that Vaermina is a Zoat Alt he uses to channel his writer anxiety and self-doubt.
 
Darko said:
There was that whole DC 1.000.000 thing where the Amazons of the future were sapient marble statues.
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No, the Amazons lived on Venus, and used the Purple Healing Ray to basically live in Valhalla-Amazons injured or killed in their battles were just healed back to normal to start all over again.

Wonder Woman was a marble statue animated by the Goddess of Truth, which implies that Diana once again ascended to Olympian status, since she became the Goddess of Truth when Neron killed her.
 
Darko said:
Unless this happened well before your parallel version became more powerful, or maybe he died before the demon thing happened.

And as we saw from the Kara fight, a Kryptonian trying to kill you has a good chance of doing it.
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That basically what he was implying, since he was one of the strongest version of himself during the Paul electric boogaloo and he doubt he would be able to take on a demon Superman, he deducted that a potential version of himself from this universe probably died trying or wasn't there in the first place.
 
I think there is one but of confirmation bias there. Paragon was one of the steomgest there, but that could be because the stronger ones didnt get captured. OL got caught in a moment of weakness, and wasnt even actually caught.

We saw Renegade fight off the Hand perfectly well.

Although realistically the Paul of this reality likely wouldnt be able to get to that point in time to stop the demons.
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Stsword said:
No, the Amazons lived on Venus, and used the Purple Healing Ray to basically live in Valhalla-Amazons injured or killed in their battles were just healed back to normal to start all over again.

Wonder Woman was a marble statue animated by the Goddess of Truth, which implies that Diana once again ascended to Olympian status, since she became the Goddess of Truth when Neron killed her.
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Thought she was a daughter of Zeus/Hippolyta.
 
Darko said:
There was that whole DC 1.000.000 thing where the Amazons of the future were sapient marble statues.
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Stsword said:
No, the Amazons lived on Venus, and used the Purple Healing Ray to basically live in Valhalla.

Wonder Woman was a marble statue animated by the Goddess of Truth, which implies that Diana once again ascended to Olympian status, since she became the Goddess of Truth when Neron killed her.
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Huh, maybe that's where the Dresden Codak guy got his take. Did a whole 'reboot' of the Justice League, their villains, and the Bat-Family; WW was a marble statue animated by divine relics and a prayer for a defender. (The rest were pretty interesting as well, except the Cyborg was a little self-indulgent. Flash from India with some of Kid Flash's problems, Manhunter who is a biological nanobot swarm, Supes who's not natively humanoid and prefers working-class unionism to 'the American way', Power Girl who's a Cadmus labs plant.)
 
Chojin Patriarch said:
The joy of being a late-playthrough character: getting the permanently-unlocked benefits of all those previous run-through. :p I wonder which alternate was the first-time playthrough?
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Unless Zoat says otherwise, I'm going to guess either Blue Paul or Anti-Green Paul, but I could see it being one of the less successful Orange Lanterns (e.g. Paul Freeman), instead.
 
Radix said:
I think there is one but of confirmation bias there. Paragon was one of the steomgest there, but that could be because the stronger ones didnt get captured. OL got caught in a moment of weakness, and wasnt even actually caught.

We saw Renegade fight off the Hand perfectly well.

Although realistically the Paul of this reality likely wouldnt be able to get to that point in time to stop the demons.
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This is indeed correct its very likely the Paul's that got caught were either in a moment of weakness or just not that strong to begin with.

The strongest Orange was our Paul and he was attacked when he was wearing a pink ring, the strongest yellow had no lantern to recharge so probably got caught because of that, we know Grayven (having both orange and yellow) fought the attack off.

Common Sense was in the lower end of the power scale for orange.

I believe Anti green, Raúl and Buffy Paul weren't caught so I don't know if they count.
 
Krummkreuz (part 14)
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    • 16th September 2012
    18:14 GMT -4

    "There was no sign that I could see. One day the greatest, most noble man I knew simply… Took leave of his reason."

    Diana hesitates for a moment, then presses on. Egeria appears to have cleared her schedule, because this meeting of the government of Themyscira assembled very quickly once I made it known that Diana wanted to meet them. In addition to the Archon herself there's the local Wonder Woman, Philippus, leading priestesses, senators and even Magala lurking in the background.

    "He tore apart his home city, killing many of those who were his friends. Then he rose into the sky and laid waste to the entire world. Themyscira was… Burned. There were no survivors."

    "No idea why, at all?"

    "From the overwhelming power of the demonic magic that now blankets the world, I think that he was somehow possessed." She shakes her head. "The few magic users who weren't driven mad by the sudden change in Earth's magic systems… He killed them during our counterattack."

    "I'm sorry to press you like this, but if there was any indication of which demon, or who might have conjured it, or anything that would help banish it…"

    She gives her head a small shake.

    "Zatanna tried to discover its name. She could not find a match in any of her tomes. Jason Blood conjured demons to interrogate, and none of them knew either. Perhaps… Perhaps it was not a demon, but some combination of telepathic control and mutagen?"

    "How did you end up with the crown?"

    "I don't clearly remember. I remember being defeated by Superman, and then everything is a blur of fury and madness."

    "Can you stomach working with the local Nazis in order to defeat him?"

    "I will have to. A reckoning for them will come eventually."

    "Could we not have a reckoning and instead use the fact that they're having peaceful contact with other cultures who don't share their viewpoint to encourage a gradual social reform process?" She looks mildly puzzled. "We're going to be working with their version of Superman, and while he's fully aware of how bad Nazi society is he isn't quite ready to sign off on burning the whole system down."

    Philippus frowns. "One man devastated a world? I'm sorry, Princess,-"

    That title gets her a few looks.

    "-but I don't see how that's possible."

    "Superman's strength puts Herakles to shame. His endurance would put Atlas to shame, and his swiftness…"

    Diana pushes her chair back, stands, and then floats into the air. About half the audience check her feet, presumably looking for the Demon Earth version of the Sandals. And then she's gone, reappearing on the other side of the room to the stares of the crowd.

    "The Five blessed me with abilities far greater than those of mortal women. I can move with supernatural speed when I must. Superman usually holds himself back to avoid causing unnecessary harm." She lands and walks slowly back, making eye contact with each member of the audience as she does. "He did not hold back during our fight."

    I nod, generating a small stone tower construct. "Unlike Herakles, Superman has natural flight. If Herakles wants to destroy a building and he punches it-"

    I make a construct Herakles and have him punch the tower.

    "-he goes flying because he can't grip the ground well enough to keep his feet."

    The tower cracks slightly and Herakles goes flying backwards. Artemis and Philippus nod, both being familiar with the Gauntlets. Most of the others look to them for confirmation.

    "Superman can fly faster than sound. If he wants to destroy a building-"

    An orange blur strikes the tower, which collapses to rubble.

    "-that happens. Now imagine that rather than a building, he flew into the ground hard enough to make the ground shake."

    I pull the image out and show a city of towers falling.

    "Or punches straight through it to the magma beneath."

    I pull the image out further and show the likely outcome of Kal-El punching through the planet's crust. Dust and rock fly into the atmosphere, magma vomits free and the land is levelled for miles around.

    "And then you've got the knock-on effect on the atmosphere. Civilisation is only ever two meals from collapse, and enough dust in the upper atmosphere and you can go years without sun."

    "He was more inclined to use heat vision or throw things." Diana retakes her seat. "But the point is well-made."

    Egeria nods. "That is frightful power to be in any man's hands. What aid do you want?"

    "There would be little point in bringing an army. But if-" Diana makes eye contact with Wonder Woman 10, who nods. "-your Wonder Woman will accompany me, it will greatly improve our ability to fight through the corrupted warriors who will oppose our attacks."

    "And Superman himself?"

    "Basically, prepare banishment effects before we go in, then let Superman Sixteen and Overman pin him in place while we use them. I've also got weapons that he's weak against, but I'm a little reluctant to just kill someone that full of demon magic in case the result is worse than leaving him there. We haven't planned in any detail yet because we still don't know what resources we're going to have available."

    Hm.

    "Speaking of that, can I borrow your smiths for a few hours? I've learned a lot about armour transmutation, but I can't do that part of the forging process myself. I-" I look at Diana. "-doubt that you really want to go into a fight wearing demonic armour."

    "Have you made armor for the version of me from your world?"

    "It was a team effort with Io, Ted Kord and an Atlantean thaumaturgist named Sephtian. The armour will still be good without Sephtian, it just won't have some extra magic effects." I shrug. "I can also make you a sword, but… It depends on what sort of proportion of the possessed people you think can be saved."

    She nods solemnly. "It is a hard decision, but I believe that saving what is left of my world must come before saving my friends and comrades."

    I nod. "Rightoh. Sword and shield then?" She nods, and I turn to the other Artemis. "And for you?"

    "I am content with the weapons which I already have."

    Egeria nods. "Io will be able to work with you on creating your armour. Is that all?"

    "It would be really helpful if Magala could help with opening the portal. We've got one guy recovering in hospital who knows how they work, and the Reich doesn't encourage magic study."

    Egeria looks back and Magala, who nods reluctantly. Diana smiles at her.

    "Then we are ready to begin."
     
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    • Cuchulin said:
    I'm kinda hoping that Hell Earth Wonder Woman ends up staying with the Amazons of Nazi Earth.
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    Personally I'm hoping Demon Superman is defeated or exorcised or both, destroyed as a threat. Then OL moves the Earth 10 Africans and the E-10 Dr. Mist to the former Demon Earth to start trying to rebuild their lives, and also any Nazi Earth dissident or minority who honestly wants out. Also contact Paul Freeman on Nazi Earth, get him moved and set up with his ring and a working power lantern and have him be the OL for these survivors and new colonists to rebuild this Earth. Also have the Earth-10 Amazons move over too.

    Basically leave the Nazis with themselves and any other like minded scumbags. Without new enemies and subhumans to fight, eventually the Reich will eat itself.
     
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