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The Hellenic religion is not dead, like the Norse, it maintains followers.
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I know that we don't get exact details, but my understanding was the human belief helped the Gods develop from the Dream, maintain their integrity as a magical construct, and grow in power.
I know that we don't get exact details, but my understanding was the human belief helped the Gods develop from the Dream, maintain their integrity as a magical construct, and grow in power.
Pretty much.In Vertigo.
Vertigo and the mainstream DC universe were separate universes until the flashpoint merger.
In the mainstream universe the gods gained their power from the exact same as the New Gods- The Source.
It was a plot point in the Genesis event, also in Wonder Woman in which Cronos and the Titans attacked others, including the Hindu gods, and the Silver City for their piece of the pie.
Yeah there's like some 2000 followers in Modern Greece and some 100k that have some sort of interest. I have no idea what kind conversion rate human belief is to actual power but to compare, the Abrahamic faiths have some 5 billion worshippers. If human faith is a defining factor then Zeus should rate somewhat equal to minor demon lord, if that.The Hellenic religion is not dead, like the Norse, it maintains followers.
My interpretation of DC gods is that they have a base power level determined by how powerful their parents are, how well they practise, if they're blessed/connected to a greater power and then that's added to by the number of followers they have. Death gods switch from worshippers to how many dead are in their realm. I think if Hades wanted to he could probably go toe to toe with Mammon and might have been able to defeat Nabu if they were fighting in the Underworld.
OK, let's say that character knows what he's talking about and that that's in the same universe/continuity and that it hasn't been retconed but it doesn't really answer anything how does that get broken down though? Is it every war an act of worship or just Greek ones, how does that work with other War gods? How does that get split with War gods of a different pantheon? If worship is irrelevant then why do gods fade or even care about worshippers?DC's interpretation of "worship" is rather liberal.
Every war is an act of worship for Ares, whether the combatants have heard of him or not.
A speech by Orion actually indicated the New Gods are the same.
For the purposes of this story, I'm pretty sure you're wrong about some of that. Firstly, deities like the Hellenic pantheon are created by faith manipulating the thaumosphere and maybe the Dream or whatever, and they get their power from being magical. On the other hand, angels get power from the Source, which is a totally different power source. Not sure how it works with demons, and I'm not sure how the angels and demons came into existence (I guess something similar to the other deities but with added Source).Yeah there's like some 2000 followers in Modern Greece and some 100k that have some sort of interest. I have no idea what kind conversion rate human belief is to actual power but to compare, the Abrahamic faiths have some 5 billion worshippers. If human faith is a defining factor then Zeus should rate somewhat equal to minor demon lord, if that.
My interpretation of DC gods is that they have a base power level determined by how powerful their parents are, how well they practise, if they're blessed/connected to a greater power and then that's added to by the number of followers they have. Death gods switch from worshippers to how many dead are in their realm. I think if Hades wanted to he could probably go toe to toe with Mammon and might have been able to defeat Nabu if they were fighting in the Underworld.
Yeah there's like some 2000 followers in Modern Greece and some 100k that have some sort of interest. I have no idea what kind conversion rate human belief is to actual power but to compare, the Abrahamic faiths have some 5 billion worshippers. If human faith is a defining factor then Zeus should rate somewhat equal to minor demon lord, if that.
My interpretation of DC gods is that they have a base power level determined by how powerful their parents are, how well they practise, if they're blessed/connected to a greater power and then that's added to by the number of followers they have. Death gods switch from worshippers to how many dead are in their realm. I think if Hades wanted to he could probably go toe to toe with Mammon and might have been able to defeat Nabu if they were fighting in the Underworld.
And that's without even the evidence of the Greek Gods that DC humans have. There's bound to be way more believers in DC.Yeah there's like some 2000 followers in Modern Greece and some 100k that have some sort of interest.
Arent's the YJ Atlanteans helenist in canon as well?Zoat made the Atlanteans Hellenists in this story.
Atlantis was a continent that sank beneath the waves, so in this story there could be oodles of Hellenists.
It's not like the Atlanteans didn't have 71% of the Earth to spread out in.
Nope, but he did make a magical pact on Cronos's corpse with Poseidon and Hades which is what keeps the Titan's dead.
In her singular aspect, or their more potent multiple aspect?
For the purposes of this story, I'm pretty sure you're wrong about some of that. Firstly, deities like the Hellenic pantheon are created by faith manipulating the thaumosphere and maybe the Dream or whatever, and they get their power from being magical. On the other hand, angels get power from the Source, which is a totally different power source. Not sure how it works with demons, and I'm not sure how the angels and demons came into existence (I guess something similar to the other deities but with added Source).
Also, in this story, Zoat has said that although deities are formed by faith, they don't need it to survive or even maintain their power, and they aren't affected in any way by their worshippers (as far as I can tell they just have worshippers because they like it). In fact, deities can actually be stronger if they have fewer worshippers, since they don't have to spend as much on giving out blessings or whatever. Zoat has said that Hades will actually get marginally weaker from taking in all of the aliens that Paul gave him, because he spends a bit of power on making their souls properly conscious.
The domains don't match up.
Cronos is a deity of agriculture, and historically was still worshipped as such after the Titanomachy.
When merged with Chronos, which has been happening since the time of the Ancient Greeks, he's a deity of time.
There's speculation that these myths merging is an inspiration for the Grim Reaper- scythes are harvest tools, and everyone's time runs out eventually.
Uranos would be the one whose domain matches, being the primordial embodying the sky, husband-brother to Gaia, father of the titans.
Zoat made the Atlanteans Hellenists in this story.
Atlantis was a continent that sank beneath the waves, so in this story there could be oodles of Hellenists.
It's not like the Atlanteans didn't have 71% of the Earth to spread out in.
Found an error in the story only thread. That should say 'Captain Atom'. He's only called major in his civilian identity."But Major Atom is a military officer. And Accomplished Perfect Physician is Chinese."
The thought that Paul's now familiar enough with Hades to give him a diminutive nickname is kind of amusing, but I assume that was a typo.Hade admitted that he's changed a lot since the old days, but I imagine that it's a sore point with him and I haven't wanted to push it.
Yeah, Oceanus and Poseidon are both water gods, but Hades and Erebus are a death god and a darkness god respectively.
That's an in-character mistake.Found an error in the story only thread. That should say 'Captain Atom'. He's only called major in his civilian identity.
I so love reading Canis talk sometimes. If only he'd say things like this in public more often.He nods. "Glory to the weak, for in having no strength of their own they shall not be tempted to act aught but the will of Darkseid."
…
"Yes."
That should say 'Hades'.I remember the typical version of the myth from Earth Prime, but Hades doesn't seem like the sort to slip a few pomegranate seed roofies in someone's drink. The Amazon version mentions the seeds, but dwells more on Hades's wickedness in not consulting with or appeasing Demeter. I still don't see how Demeter's response of 'starve the world' could be considered anything other than completely deranged, but I… Don't know if the mythological version is what actually happened. Hade admitted that he's changed a lot since the old days, but I imagine that it's a sore point with him and I haven't wanted to push it.
Before us, there's a village coming up. Or possibly a town? Order of service gets a bit confused in situations where the locals don't need to eat and a temple would be redundant. Hekate used to live in a relatively modest home tended by bound shades of those who joined her cult in life. Now… Now they're all bound to Erebos and like its other denizens they aren't 'shades' in the traditional mindless dead sense any longer.
Given Hekate's threat potential and the fact that most Atlanteans are hostile to the idea of gods I haven't felt the need to make contact with her. I wonder-.
These should say 'Hecate', as that's the spelling you used before."I'm sorry, we're not concubines." She moues in pantomimed disappointment, but I see the purple glow-dust that gathers around her left hand. "Could you please point us in the direction of Lady Hekate? It's a bit urgent."
Again, we are shown how New Gods are less afraid to show intimacy.Canis shrugs his shoulders. "I have no objection to being a concubine, if it aids the mission."
"-and I need to speak with Lady Hekate on the subject of thaumaturgy and Olympian politics."
Again, these should say 'Hecate'. I'm excited now that Eris how shown up to help Paul out. I kinda hope that Paul can also build a positive relationship with Hecate."Hey Paul!" Eris waves as she heads in our direction, wearing a sarong. And nothing else. I bet she was wearing a swimming suit, saw me and then chucked it in the-.
Yes, there it is.
"Eris, good to see you. This will save me time."
"Oh?" She raises her eyebrows. "I don't get a 'Lady' Eris?"
"You're not a lady."
"Eh." She looks at Canis for a moment, the appears to dismiss him. "Are you up to something?"
"At the moment we're just gathering information."
"So 'yes'. You know, I don't think I really committed last time."
"Your help may well be quite useful. Or we might end up resolving things peacefully and-."
"Bghhahaha!" Eris hunches as she splurts with laughs, the action clearly taking her by surprise. She then reaches up with her right hand and half pat and half slaps me around the face. "'Peacef-. Have you met you?"
"Are you going to take us to Lady Hekate or should I just ignore you?"
"Oh, I'll take you. This feels like something interesting and I wanna get in at the ground level." She lowers her hand, grabbing hold of my robe in a surprisingly strong grip and she turns and pulls me towards the path. "And bring the art student and his poodle. I think this is the start of something funny."
Canis and Eris. This is going to be glorious."And bring the art student and his poodle. I think this is the start of something funny."
"Euanthe would be her aunt. And I don't think that Euanthe is technically a goddess. It's not just a measure of power, it's about how their metaphysique is structured." I frown thoughtfully. "Unless you're telling me otherwise
"Can-?" He jerks his head around, frowning. "Yes, of course they can. A New God joins to an aspect of Darkseid's divinity
"She's Zeus's daughter. But… Ah, I don't think they're on good terms
I remember the typical version of the myth from Earth Prime, but Hades doesn't seem like the sort to slip a few pomegranate seed roofies in someone's drink. The Amazon version mentions the seeds, but dwells more on Hades's wickedness in not consulting with or appeasing Demeter. I still don't see how Demeter's response of 'starve the world' could be considered anything other than completely deranged, but I… Don't know if the mythological version is what actually happened. Hade admitted that he's changed a lot since the old days, but I imagine that it's a sore point with him and I haven't wanted to push it
Given Hekate's threat potential and the fact that most Atlanteans are hostile to the idea of gods
Erebos is actually well-served with rivers, it's just at the titan's magic tends to give them unpleasant arcane effects. I
Canis shrugs his shoulders. "I have no objection to being a concubine, if it aids the mission."
"Eh." She looks at Canis for a moment, the appears to dismiss him. "Are you up to something?"
"At the moment we're just gathering information."
"So 'yes
Your help may well be quite useful. Or we might end up resolving things peacefully and-."
"Bghhahaha!" Eris hunches as she splurts with laughs, the action clearly taking her by surprise. She then reaches up with her right hand and half pat and half slaps me around the face. "'Peacef-. Have you met you?
"Oh, I'll take you. This feels like something interesting and I wanna get in at the ground level." She lowers her hand, grabbing hold of my robe in a surprisingly strong grip and she turns and pulls me towards the path. "And bring the art student and his poodle. I think this is the start of something funny
I think it was said that they acknowledge them, but don't necessarily worship them. It's most likely a result of Ahri'ahn's influence.This hasn't come up before.
I thought they were okay with gods.
Thank you, corrected.The thought that Paul's now familiar enough with Hades to give him a diminutive nickname is kind of amusing, but I assume that was a typo.
That should say 'Hades'.
These should say 'Hecate', as that's the spelling you used before.
Again, these should say 'Hecate'. I'm excited now that Eris how shown up to help Paul out. I kinda hope that Paul can also build a positive relationship with Hecate.
Thank you, corrected.
Also, does Canis not know about the New Gods of New Genesis or is he brainwashed to believe they serve Darkseid as well