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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Joebobjoe said:
So, will OL have to go up against the Ulcer Monster soon? Because with how DC tends to work, this man clearly was horribly mutated by his exposure to high concentration H Pylori, and is now a supervillain.
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With how DC tends to work, no. The scientist's name is Barry Marshall. Now, if it was Hank P Lori, then yeah definitely.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
The part I hate is after Kalibak, in his own words, "flattens" Wonder Woman and Batman proceeds to stall him until Superman shows up and takes him out in one punch. Superman says something like "Truthfully, I don't think you could have beaten Batman either."

This is after, you know, Kalibak defeated Wonder Woman. Way to shit on the Amazon Princess there Kal-El.
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To be fair though Superman is probably right. Kalibak could probably beat Wonder Woman by brute strength, but historically even extreme brute strength is a pretty poor bet against Batman. Unlike Wonder Woman he doesn't fight fair.
 
alid610 said:
Paul you forgot that Despair of the Endless convinced Rao that krypton dying leaving only one survivor would be poetic in the sense of great Despair founding great Hope.
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Despair knew that they wouldn't listen to Jor-El. She didn't make them ignore him. If more had listened or if Tomar-Re had been a bit quicker, things would have gone rather differently.
 
Siskulous said:
To be fair though Superman is probably right. Kalibak could probably beat Wonder Woman by brute strength, but historically even extreme brute strength is a pretty poor bet against Batman. Unlike Wonder Woman he doesn't fight fair.
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Yeeeeah....I'ma go ahead and say fuck all that noise.

If Kalibak is both strong enough to hurt Wonder Woman, and durable enough to absorb her attacks, then there is not a GOD DAMN THING Batman is going to be able to do.

One hit. ONE HIT. That's all it takes to turn his bones to dust. One clip to that exposed jaw of his.

Batman doesn't fight fair? Wonder Woman is a master of armed and hand to hand combat, trained by a society that has pretty much perfected that shit. Also? When push comes to shove, Diana will fucking kill you.

You are talking with entirely the wrong person if you want Bat-wank.

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At this point in her life, Diana 12 is much less skilled than most depictions of Wonder Woman. Certainly, she's less skilled than Diana 16. There was literally no one in her weight class on Themyscira 12, so she's had a few months at most to learn superstrength versus superstrength combat. She also hasn't really internalised how the modern world functions. Batman's next step was probably to try and get Kalibak to punch a power line; that wouldn't occur to Diana 12.
 
Mr Zoat said:
At this point in her life, Diana 12 is much less skilled than most depictions of Wonder Woman. Certainly, she's less skilled than Diana 16. There was literally no one in her weight class on Themyscira 12, so she's had a few months at most to learn superstrength versus superstrength combat. She also hasn't really internalised how the modern world functions. Batman's next step was probably to try and get Kalibak to punch a power line; that wouldn't occur to Diana 12.
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Also, DC-Universe humans are almost always substantially more durable and sometimes stronger than real-life humans are. It's never explicitly stated, but it's a more reasonable conclusion than "half of the characters ever depicted have secretly broken most of their bones, and neither us, nor anyone in-universe, ever found out."
 
Mr Zoat said:
There was literally no one in her weight class on Themyscira 12, so she's had a few months at most to learn superstrength versus superstrength combat.
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I believe the DCAU wiki states that Hippolyta and Aresia both had super strength, and the latter demonstrated it in her episodes, so while I agree with your other points I don't think this one has merit.
 
DrThoth said:
I believe the DCAU wiki states that Hippolyta and Aresia both had super strength, and the latter demonstrated it in her episodes, so while I agree with your other points I don't think this one has merit.
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Superstrength comes in different levels, though.

In New Earth continuity, for example, all Amazons are superstrong (as is normal in the comics, since it was true in the Golden Age too), but Diana has super-amazon strength. All Amazons are blessed by the Gods, but the Gods used both hands when heaping out Diana's blessings.
 
Ganurath said:
...He was a baby when he arrived on Earth. How did he already know marriage between cousins was illegal on Krypton?
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Fortress of Solitude generally includes basically the Kryptonian equivalent of the library of congress. Superman has learned kryptonian martial arts for example.

In the story in which Superman offered Conner the name Kon-El, the fortress of solitude even had virtual reality home movies of the House of El, including Kal-El's cousin Kon-El, who Superboy reminded him of. So Superman told him "Superboy, I understand you don't really have a name, and you remind me of my cousin Kon-El, would you honor my cousin by taking his name as your own?"
 
Angelic (part 4)
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    Barely visible beams of red trace lines through the air, each one striking the centre of one of my target constructs.

    "Hah!" Kara slows her flight, smiling as her eyes simmer down. "I hit every one this time!"

    I shake my head. "No, you didn't. Also-."

    The rock-crusher construct I've had chasing her finally catches-

    "Huh?"

    -up with her, momentarily enveloping her feet before trying to crush the rest of her and decaying to orange mist as it fails against kryptonian resilience. She watches the mist decay for a moment until she's sure that it's not about to reform, then returns her attention to me.

    "You stopped moving again."

    "What do you mean? I hit-."

    I extend my left arm sideways and make a beckoning motion, reeling in the target I generated a couple of miles away. She frowns as she focuses on it.

    "You missed this one."

    "How was I supposed to see-? Oh."

    "You now have the ability-."

    "I know, Kal explained it. Microscopic vision, telescopic vision and heat vision."

    "And you can see a wider part of the electromagnetic spectrum. As a civilian, you could probably live your entire life without needing heat vision. But unless you spend the rest of your life with a blindfold, you do need to learn how to focus on things, and how to do so without incinerating them unless-"

    She nods. "Unless I mean to."

    "-you mean to, yes." I generate a dozen targets around me. "Ready to try again?"

    "Can we do it without the rock crusher this time?"

    "That was just to give it a sense of urgency, but… Alright."

    I send the target constructs out in all directions, making sure that they end up at different elevations and directions. I also alter their sizes in an attempt to throw off her ability to judge the distances a little. Kara's eyes dart around as she tries to follow them, then she squeezes them shut with a wince.

    "Problem?"

    She opens them again, blinking, and I notice that her pupils appear to be slightly dilated. She blinks again and… No change.

    "I think I'm stuck."

    "Stuck?"

    She holds up her right hand in front of her face, then moves it in and out. "I can't change my focus. I can see things a couple of miles away as if I'm standing next to them, but anything closer or further away and it's just a blur."

    "Okay. Um." I fly up to her, looking into her eyes as I do so. This never happened to Kon. Of course, his magnification isn't anything like as good as that of a full-blooded kryptonian, and he hasn't been dosing himself with gold kryptonite on a regular basis... "Okay. Shouldn't be permanent, but I'm going to try scan-"

    There's a flicker of red.

    "-ning-."

    I can smell the burning just as I get my construct shield up, the laser from her eyes deflecting up into the sky!

    Kara squeezes her eyes shut. "Sorry! Sorry." … "Are you okay?"

    "Yes. May I ask why you just tried to incinerate-?"

    "It was an accident! I was just trying to-. Unstick my eyes and I-. Pushed the wrong button!"

    Ring scans don't detect any unusual escaping heat from around her eyelids. "Is it off now?"

    She tilts her head back and opens her eyes, twin beams of ruby red failing to burst forth from her pupils. She gives it a moment and then tilts her head back down to look at me, her pupils moving normally.

    "Okay, let's just assume that was a minor cramp thing and move onto a different exercise." I dismiss my target constructs and generate a brightly glowing punching bag construct, a pale construct bunch of flowers and a construct vase. "For your next test-"

    She nods. "Hit the bag really hard, then move a flower into the vase without crushing it."

    "-you have to hit the bag really hard, then move a flower into the vase without crushing it." She rolls her eyes, nodding. "I've reinforced the bag so that it should be able to survive a couple of hits. Begin when ready."

    "Did-" The bag bends as her right fist hits home before I see her move. "-Kal-" She moves to the flower and barely gets it out of the bunch before it falls apart under her fingers. "-ever do-" She grimaces and hits the bag again. "-things like-" She slows down, gently lifting the flower and nearly getting it into the vase before snapping it in half. "-this?"

    "I don't actually know Kal-El that well. Certainly not well enough to share childhood stories."

    The next hit is weaker, but the flower makes it safely into the vase.

    "I'm a little surprised that you haven't asked him."

    "I wasn't that worried about it. I mean, I was, but with everything else… Then… I.. just.. had an off switch. And.. then-."

    "Then I pointed out that it was killing you."

    She looks awkwardly away. "Then you took me to Thanagar and I killed someone."

    "You mean the Man-Hawk?" She gives her head a small nod. "No, you broke its back. The patrol killed it. And given what we-."

    She jerks her head back towards me. "They did?"

    "Yes. Do you.. want to see a recording-?"

    "Great Krypton, no. But.. you're sure?"

    I nod. "I watched them do it. The Man-Hawk you punched wouldn't have survived even if you hadn't hit it; one of us would have downed it and the patrol would have finished it off. The only difference would have been that someone on our side might have gotten injured. Kara, have you been… Worried about that-?"

    "I felt its bones break under my fist!" I just look at her-. "It really.. doesn't bother you at all, does it?"

    "Violence?"

    "Killing."

    "Wasteful killing bothers me. Senseless killing bothers me. Accidental killing bothers me. Ending the life of someone I have decided to kill?" I shake my head. "No, that doesn't bother me."

    "You're a soldier." She nods. "I'm not. I was a mathematics undergraduate. The closest I came to that sort of violence on Krypton was.. walking past a small student demonstration. I'm doing this training so I can learn not to… Break people's spines by accident, not because I want to become a soldier myself."

    "A lot of the time, proper training means that you don't have to lead with your most powerful attacks. If you learned to grapple or strike with lower levels of force -like Kal-El does- then you could avoid doing that even if you were fighting."

    She doesn't look convinced.

    "But your goal is a reasonable one. Shall we continue?"
     
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    • Well that seems like forshadowing.

    I don't know anything about bizarro kryptonians. I'm not even sure there are bizarro kryptonians outside of Bizarro Superman. But is "losing control of powers" something they're known for? If Match doesn't become Universe 16's Bizarro Superman maybe Kara will have to fill the role?
     
    Ngamer11 said:
    More OL and Kara interactions. I'm sort of getting vibes similar to Paul and Kon's early interactions. Will Kara come to see Paul as a trustworthy confidante too?
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    Probably. She already does,to an extent.

    I'm a bit concerned about her vision getting stuck in one mode... Do you think that's going to be significant, plot wise?
     
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    "Hah!" Kara slows her slight, smiling as her eyes simmer down. "I hit every one this time!"
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    "Hah!" Kara slows her flight, smiling as her eyes simmer down. "I hit every one this time!"

    The rock-crusher construct I've had chasing her finally catch-
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    The rock-crusher construct I've had chasing her finally catches-

    I extend my left arm sideways and make a beckoning motion, reeling in the target I generated a couple of miles away. She frowns as she focuses on it.
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    And she didn't even notice the filament either...

    She holds up her right had in front of her face, then moves it in and out. "I can't change my focus. I can see things a couple of miles away as if I'm standing next to them, but anything closer or further away and it's just a blur."
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    The ultimate form of long-sightedness :p

    There's a flicker of red.
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    Just like a gun: always assume the kryptonian eye is, shall we say, loaded.

    Kara squeezes her eyes shut. "Sorry! Sorry." … "Are you okay?"
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    Yes, she can just imagine the consequences of lasering someone, can't she?
    Also, is that ellipsis there intentional, as a sort of literary 'beat panel'?

    She tilts her head back and opens her eyes, twin beams of ruby red failing to burst forth from her pupils. She gives it a moment and then tilts her head back down to look at me, her pupils moving normally.
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    Okay, safety's back on.

    She nods. "Hit the bag really hard, then move a flower into the vase without crushing it."
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    She's a smart one. Or she's been doing this a while.

    ...out of the bunch before is falls apart under her fingers.
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    ...out of the bunch before it falls apart under her fingers.

    She slows down, gently lifting the flower and nearly getting it into the vase before snapping it in half.
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    Love the concept for strength training.

    She looks awkwardly away. "Then you took me to Thanagar and I killed someone."
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    Ah, so that's one thing that's been bothering her.

    "I felt its bones break under my fist!" I just look at her-. "It really.. doesn't bother you at all, does it?"
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    It does sound nasty, when you put it like that...

    "A lot of the time, proper training means that you don't have to lead with your most powerful attacks. If you learned to grapple or strike with lower levels of force -like Kal-El does- then you could avoid doing that even if you were fighting."
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    Much like Kon did, too. And Artemis. And Richard. Though the latter two at least used strength dampening tech...

    Heh. Cue training montage. Good to see OL building relationship scores with the Super-family.
     
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    "Hah!" Kara slows her flight, smiling as her eyes simmer down. "I hit every one this time!"
    The rock-crusher construct I've had chasing her finally catch-
    The rock-crusher construct I've had chasing her finally catches-
    ...out of the bunch before is falls apart under her fingers.
    ...out of the bunch before it falls apart under her fingers.
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    Thank you, corrected.
    Also, is that ellipsis there intentional, as a sort of literary 'beat panel'?
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    Yes.
     
    Handlewithcare said:
    It's interesting to see a take were "suoperpowers" doesn't automatically mean "I now want to beat up people"
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    It's very refreshing, really, and (if OL were inclined to look that way) a major point that he and Kara have in common, given the number of rants he's had against righteous face-punchers. I do rather expect the "In Praise of Eros" version of this chapter to have significantly more references to Kryptonian kiegels. :p
     
    Is smallville any good? I've heard mixed things about it.
     
    Stsword said:
    Superstrength comes in different levels, though.

    In New Earth continuity, for example, all Amazons are superstrong (as is normal in the comics, since it was true in the Golden Age too), but Diana has super-amazon strength. All Amazons are blessed by the Gods, but the Gods used both hands when heaping out Diana's blessings.
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    I don't think we're given enough information about DCAU Amazons to gauge variation in strength levels (unless it was mentioned in the spin-off comics that I never read), but I do like Diana being the exemplar in any continuity due to her above-average divine patronage.
     
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    Is smallville any good? I've heard mixed things about it.
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    I enjoyed it, despite its flaws, but whether you would share my assessment I don't know.

    Although the Smallville comics had a version of Megan I found interesting. She was introduced as a White Martian first, then a superheroine, so she sported this look
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    , never bothering with the "mixing Martian Manhunter's appearance with a cheerleader" she generally has going on for her.
     
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