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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    I can certainly see it as an 'assigned to Siberia' position. Going to visit a potentially hostile band of super-strong natives who have no reason to like me? I'd be damn nervous.

    "And no jokes about wanting to go back for your stomach, please. I'd hate for it to be literal..."

    I bet most of them are just wondering "Who's this now? Another outsider?"

    And I'm sure mon Capitano is healthy. If not, OL should have corrected that in short order.

    Definitely easier to be convincing in your own tongue. Even if they don't, OL can manage translation.

    That would have been amusing, to see him slowly pick up the tongue.

    One of the originals who didn't head out, I see.

    Huh. When your body's that tough, the hard parts are tools in themselves. Fingernails like razors; knees, elbows, palm-heels and even foreheads would be like steel hammers... Imagine the mess they could make of someone, even without the old 'rip&tear'...:eek:

    Ah, the whole application of the formula is a ritual? That's got to be concerning to him...

    Good to see him feeling better, at least. Seeing the children he helped back then (those who survived) grown and healthy must feel heartening.

    Polite is definitely the way to go here...

    Well, not a private conversation. I doubt much happens in private anyway, besides things they don't want the children seeing. x3

    Ah, OL's not translating? I suppose it makes it easier when he has to step away...

    Oh, god. I shudder at the stories Hugo might hear about himself...

    How many actually learned from it, though?

    Ah, I knew he wouldn't have been twiddling his thumbs or sitting in the lab all the time.

    Nothing like a practical demonstration.

    It just lacks a certain something without the classic Circus Strongman costume.

    Ha! The joy of super-powered littles.

    And mon Capitano has gone very quiet...

    Yeah, I suspect disagreements get settled a little more physically than most people would. No hard feelings when you've had your head smacked around fair and square and done the same to the other guy. :V

    Ah, yes, our erstwhile local reporter.

    Heh, I doubt she's used to getting the Lois Lane treatment. At least she hasn't gotten kidnapped yet... I hope.:confused:

    Time to get the public weighing in on matters. I foresee some differing opinions...

    A nice quiet transitional scene. Let's hope the government isn't making any stupid deci-... Any hostile stupid decisions. I don't want their rebuttal to the Tribes' ultimatum to be a bombardment.

    Corrections:
    Our bodies can break our bodies.
     
  2. Lucidum

    Lucidum Verifiably Bored

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    To be honest, I'm getting a little baffled at how OL is taking this, I understand that he's taken on things much greater whether it be political or militarily. But at this point, OL seems less a participant in these events and more an observer which I think sort of highlights his new/altered morality after enlightenment, especially since this is his homeworld, he showed more emotion about his subordinates going behind his back then he is about a continent that could go to war and lead to a rise in global policies in regulating, restriction and possibly the subjugation of metahumans.
     
  3. The Vale

    The Vale Know what you're doing yet?

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    Anti-vaxxers, certain religious groups, Luddites, egotists of various flavours, people pushing political agendas of one sort or another. A minority of people certainly, but such groups exist. Then you get at least a generation or two of integration problems - hard to properly control or discipline a child that can bend steel and finds a steel bar to the head to be barely worth commenting on. It's not like you can choose the child's personality either, and every child throws a tantrum or ten. Bit more problematic when that tantrum might break their parents ribs or kill another toddler.
     
  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  5. The Chosen One

    The Chosen One Getting out there.

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    Conservatively, the number of eggs physically present in the body is still on the order of 10,000 times as many eggs as a mundane Human woman will have an opportunity to use in her reproductive lifetime; so, unless the Danner Formula's longevity delays all aspects of aging except menopause, for some reason, this isn't much of a counterpoint.

    Besides, you don't need an evolutionary timescale to see enhanciles directly outcompeting humans in this scene.
     
  6. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    I think OL was more upset about Vega because most of the people were lying to him for something he may consider pointless, like not getting help from other lanterns who could use the exercise in fighting a advanced civilization without having to worry about killing innocents because every member of said civilization is pure evil, as well as having an easier time in rescuing the hostages on the planet and losing members of their own side when lanterns could have helped them as well as the fact that the people he helped lied to him. Also while he is enlightened he is still human and can have some odd priorities. Remember he hated Nabu more than he did Klarion and that was for personal reasons, hurting his friend, while what Nabu did was horrible it is still saintly compared to what Klarion did, but OL almost always has a note of anger when thinking or speaking about Nabu and not about Klarion. If it is a personal matter for OL then he can become upset or pissed, but what is happening in Brazil is more well clinical and not personal.

    Yeah on second thought having children with super strength can be a bit problematic.
     
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  7. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    Like a cow's opinion?
     
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  8. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Huh. Hadn't realised that there were so many. I guess they don't have to worry on that score, either.
     
  9. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    The arms race is on don't bet on the tribes. They may be the catalyst that kicks everyone into high gear, but they aren't going to be winning much of anything if they start the fight.


    I wonder if THIS is what ends up making Batman dislike Paul because the Rubicon has been crossed and the cat is out of the bag. The first things south America will acquire are cold guns and plasma lances for their conventional militaries, then they will negotiate with either Russia or Lex Luthor for the power armor, heck I can see them buying a few dolmen gates from Atlantis so they can cheat their way into a network they can use to quickly relocate troops.

    (A gate nexus in a very well defended military base, with the other gate pairs being inside paradrop planes), is cheap enough that most other countries are going to want such a setup too and the UK will probably dismantle the few gates they already have and will repurpose them to facilitate army deployments.

    And NO the gates don't require to be fixed in a location, Aqualad, Tempest and Aquagirl have been running around with dolmen gates tied to the ocean (to facilitate water supply) for more than a year in universe and more than half a decade out of universe.
     
  10. Nero200

    Nero200 Making the rounds.

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    Spent.
     
  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  12. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    Should that be 'warily'? I don't see why she is likely to be tired...



    I am finding the development of this situation... interesting. Getting out of this without major socio-political change (or OL de-Dannerizing the locals) would seem to be a major challenge.
     
  13. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    Pretty sure the tribe's women will be entering menopause when other women would. One of the causes of menopause is a woman running out of eggs. Which usually happens in their late 40s or early 50s.
     
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  14. Bolo

    Bolo Know what you're doing yet?

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    Worst thing that can happen is go after multiple countries at once. So yeah let’s do that....
     
  15. zerofarad

    zerofarad Know what you're doing yet?

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    Agreed: in the context of her other reactions, warily (cautious) seems way more likely than wearily (tired).
     
  16. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Turns out? It isn't. Came up a little way up the page. Most women go through menopause with thousands left.
     
  17. SIDoragon

    SIDoragon Dragon of Story and Song

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    Batman is going to be pissed when he is forced to get a Danner injection to keep up with crime in Gotham. His most powerful weapon is his mind, but that doesn't mean much when Danner-Joker hits him in the head.
     
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  18. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    How would Mr Napier get enhanced by the Danner formula? Unless he's on good terms with a biomantically-inclined Lantern, he'd need to be a foetus to get any benefit.

    I mean, he could inject himself with it. It just wouldn't do much unless he was pregnant.
     
  19. Bramble Thorn

    Bramble Thorn Verified Silhouette

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    Also, an opening demand like this is a good way to let the other side know what the likely consequences would be if they do end up going to war, and the tribes win. Because if you lose a war, the bottom pretty much drops out of your negotiating position, and the other side gets to do pretty much whatever it wants.

    And it helps that it is what the tribes actually want to happen. To acknowledge that the further away from that initial position you try to make your counter offers, the more you are asking them to give up, and the less you should expect them to like it, and the more you need to take that into account when working on a compromise.

    Don't eggs go bad before they run out? I don't know if that is a separate issue from menopause, or what triggers menopause...

    It could be they have the same number of fertile years as a normal person, and after their 40s? become infertile like unenhanced females. (Albeit still looking like they are in their 20s.)

    Yup. It does matter. It's 'Moo.'
     
  20. Vaermina

    Vaermina Experienced.

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    If a Lantern can do it that means there are technological ways to do it.

    Which means it's only a matter of time till someone scitzotech's a way to do it.
     
  21. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    All joker needs is a good biomancer, and those might not be that hard to find.
     
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  22. The Chosen One

    The Chosen One Getting out there.

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    Honestly, I made my last post with Google and Napkin Math, so, I'm not a gynecologist, and don't know the exact combination of biological mechanisms that contributes to the particular kind of decay that ultimately results in infertility, but as someone with an opinion on the internet, I think if the Formula had such miraculous preservative and regenerative effects on every part of the body except the ova and uterus, with the overall effect of restricting the reproductive rate of the new subspecies,

    It would imply, to me, some degree of agency in the alchemy, with an intent to regulate its own use; and I don't think Zoat is any more likely to introduce the Strength Force than he is the Speed Force.
     
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  23. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    Or a medical nanite researcher like one David Kim.

    Pity Zoat wasn't a fan, a superhero whose origin is that he cured death with nanotechnology would fit right in with Paul's transhuman leanings.
     
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  24. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, he'd wreck it.
     
  25. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    One has to think that the transformative societal effects of the Danner formula would be fascinating in the tribes. I mean, at this point there is a family that has four generations of Danner enhanciles in it. Family dynamic should be fascinating, where great grandmother is still fully active, looks to be in her twenties, can pass for a sister to grandmother, mother and daughter, and might be actively dating (if she is not happily married).

    There's also a point that Danner enhancile women likely can only have Danner enhancile babies, because a normal fetus is unlikely to survive to maturity in their womb (or the process of birth), simply due to the forces involved (the mother would crush the baby).

    Also, what kind of lifespan are we talking here? I don't think it has ever been firmly established. If someone in her eighties can pass for someone in her twenties, then simple extrapolation gives the projected lifespan of at least three hundred years.
     
  26. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    Alternately, and this might sound crazy, the healing factor of the Danner formula repairs telomeres, so... clinical immortality?
     
  27. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I'm legitimately curious as to how so?
     
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  28. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    It would take someone dying from old age to establish that, and that hasn't happened to a Danner enhancile yet.

    From the comics the age retardant factor would seem to be variable, actually. Although Zoat doesn't seem to be using that aspect.

    Here's Iron, born sometime around 1924 since he was a high school senior in 42, shaking hands with Superman in 2011.

    [​IMG]

    Note that he's had that skunk stripe since WW2, if not sooner.

    Hugo, while still looking vigorous, looked older during WW2
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    And Iron's son Walter, who inherited superstrength and durability, looked like an evil Clint Eastwood. [​IMG]
     
  29. Frank Iannetta

    Frank Iannetta Getting out there.

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    Age of menopause seems to be at least in part genetically determined, although earlier menopause occurs with toxic factors to the ovaries, such as smoking and surgery to the ovaries and uterus. Part of perimenopause seems to be the aging of the ovaries, so it can not respond to follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone from the pituitary, so hormone production slows and ultimately ceases. Since the Danner formula gives regenerative benefits, it is logical that the ovaries would last longer, so women would be able to conceive at later ages. The oldest verified woman to conceive naturally was 59 years old.

    Yes, I am a physician.
     
  30. Vaermina

    Vaermina Experienced.

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    I feel the need to point out here that if it really genetic aging you would have 20 year olds that still looked like children.

    Odds are the healing just counteracts the negative effects of aging keeping them relatively healthy till a person hits the point where they basically fall apart.
     
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