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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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I thought it was about Grayven demonstrating those virtues. Just proving that he has a memory of having had that virtue at least once upon a time seems far too easy and also relatively meaningless.
 
So on the subject of how Luna views her subjects . . . I'd assume she's a little more old fashioned after missing 1000 years of social and political development.

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It feels like this is going way too fast. I mean, Grayven, yes, he has experience with this sort of thing, also meta-knowledge of the show.

But Luna? Her entire background is trouble with negative emotions and here she is, glomping the rainbow in record time.

On the other hand, they are still in dreamspace, which probably makes it easier. Still...
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Eh, it's Equestria, this is really par for the course as far as I've seen on the show
 
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It feels like this is going way too fast. I mean, Grayven, yes, he has experience with this sort of thing, also meta-knowledge of the show.

But Luna? Her entire background is trouble with negative emotions and here she is, glomping the rainbow in record time.

On the other hand, they are still in dreamspace, which probably makes it easier. Still...
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I do agree that Luna's journey seems a bit rushed, but I think the main problem is that it's a bit too derivative of when Renegade had to regain the exact same emotional drives after first receiving the Anti-Life fragment. While I do enjoy the vision quests (the Trial of Black Adam remains one of my favorite scenes in the entire fic), you can't help comparing the two, and Luna's does seem lacking when considering the Renegade's more drawn out emotional journey. There's definitely a poetic logic to requiring both the Emotional Spectrum and the Elements of Harmony to deal with the Anti-Life Tantabus, but it's a bit hard to appreciate when the pace is so fast.

I do appreciate him explaining the reasoning for getting Laughter though; it seemed a bit too simple and quick when he got it at the end of last chapter, and I forgot some parts of the context for that scene.
 
I mean Luna was able to use half of the Elements before. This is just her remembering what she used to be like.
 
Gforce1000 said:
Even before he started stealing Grayven's identity he was lying about his age, and a conversation isn't Honest if one party has deliberately mislead the other about who they are.
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No he didn't lie about his age, he immidiately told everyone about it the first time it came up after Wonder Woman found out he's regularly parcitpating in Japanese orgies.

Though at that point he had already been lying about the various villains he assimilated.

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Anyone know what Grayven looks like these days? Is there fanart of him?
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I've been assuming that he looks pretty much exactly like comic grayven, but with thr face of the si from the fanart on the first page.
 
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Guy looks like a less bulky darkseid with long black hair, you don't even really have to change the face either. also, grayven has taken on pretty much the entire personality of original grayven, so him being a complete cunt is actually very much in character for the guy he took over.
 
Equestrian Girls (part 17)
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    We look around a half-starved huddle of ponies, who shrink back as we look at them.

    "Who..?"

    "Discord's victims. They come from all parts of the world, speak all manner of languages, practise all manner of customs… He frequently broke up families or changed parts of the ponies' memories and bodies for his own amusement."

    I watch one pony fire a chameleon tongue at a fly, wincing as she tastes it and trying not to gag. Another has teeth like a shark and doesn't appear to have eaten in some time. A third is making clucking noises, and I have no idea whether they're a chicken physically transformed into a pony or if Discord just rewired their vocal system. Or a pony given a chicken's mentality.

    "And after he had his entertainment, he paid no care to whether or not they could survive as he remade them, or in the land to which they had been brought."

    I nod. "No concept of supply chains. You were all just there for his entertainment." I frown. "I'm a little surprised that you're not getting the red sigil from this."

    She shakes her head sadly. "Have We not done the same? Eternal night would have frozen the world, or frozen one half and scorched the other. We cannot hold another to a higher standard than We hold Ourself. But when We acted against him We were guided by compassion for Our citizens."

    An indigo flare, and another sigil.

    "Oh, these poor dears."

    A mare wearing a crown of roses nuzzles a cyclops pony, who looks slightly happier.

    "That Discord deserves what's coming to him."

    I look at Luna in concern, but she shakes her head.

    "You do not need to convince Us. We were one of those who administered judgement 'pon him."

    "Were you really?" The mare comes a little closer, and I see that the rose stems are covered in thorns which are biting into her skin. "Do you think he suffered a lot while he was a statue? Do you think it was more or less than you did on the moon?"

    "More, probably. And for longer."

    The mare smiles. "And when you shot him with the Elements of Harmony? Did that hurt him more?"

    "Why do you wish to know?"

    "Oh, I just love helping ponies who are hurt. But I can only do that if there are hurt ponies around."

    Luna considers that for a moment.

    "What is your name?"

    "Twisted Caretaker."

    "And are you truly alive?"

    "Of course! I'm getting a one sixth share of your body when we win. I wanna be there for Celestia, you know? It must be horrible for her to spend all that time trying to get you back only to lose you again right away."

    "Avarice and rage, Luna. There's nothing to be-."

    "You were the one who revealed to Us that the copies of Pinkie Pie were intelligent beings. We did not intend for the Tantabus to have such mental flexibility but clearly it does. Why would you have Us treat this creature differently?"

    "Time constraints. If the Elements of Harmony hadn't been available, would you rather Celestia let Nightmare Moon win, or kill her?"

    Luna's eyes dip. "She should have killed Us."

    "Right. So either we're going about this the right way and they'll be.. purified or whatever, or they'll die and the monster we made won't get freed. So pick-."

    She flaps her wings, the air buckles, and we fly through the air and land on a balcony of the Canterlot palace. Luna stalks off.

    "We will show you what we want most of all."

    I trot along behind her, letting her get a little ahead.

    "Yes, yes, good."

    I'm a little lost for a moment, but then I recognise where we are. I came through the mirror not far from-.

    A phantasm of me steps out of an adjoining corridor-.

    "HAVE AT THEE!"

    Luna tears an ornamental spear from the wall and lunges at 'me', stabbing and slashing as the phantasm is forced to back up, clumsily trying to turn aside the point with his forehooves.

    "WE FINALLY FACED AN ENEMY WE COULD ENGAGE WITH OUR OWN POWER AND WE WERE CRUELLY DENIED OUR RELEASE! BUT HERE IN OUR DREAM WE SHALL NOT BE-"

    She rams the spear forward, piercing the phantasm through the chest and out through the haunches. She steps back as he weakly grasps at the spear shaft before collapsing on the ground.

    "-DENIED!"

    She takes a couple of panting breaths and then turns to give me an interrogative stare.

    …

    "Might be standing proud-"

    "Ugh."

    "-again."

    She glares. "Even if We felt inclined to such behaviour, yours would be the last 'proud standing' that We would touch."

    I smile saucily. "But you would get there eventually?"

    She huffs. "Why do you insist on this behaviour?"

    "Because you've still got anger to go." I look at her peytral. "And.. apparently I'm not making you angry enough."

    "You are-." She exhales sharply. "A most vexing-"

    "Hey, maybe you actually like it?"

    "-individual."

    Still no? Huh.

    "Okay, so what makes you really angry?"

    She hesitates for a moment, then regains her poise.

    "What makes you afraid to be honest, Grayven? Thou hast not hesitated to speak of thine manifold acts of violence before. Is there some great shame that thou fears that thou must confess to gain Honesty's blessing? Art thou not proud but rather shrivelled in the manner of a raisin or prune?"

    Damn, pony!

    "Okay, not even joking now, but are you single? Because I like mares with courage and aggression, and you-."

    The floor drops out beneath us and we plummet into the void!
     
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    I am really curious what you have chosen for Honesty and Anger, Zoat.

    Both are avoding it pretty clumsily.

    My guess: Grayven not being Grayven, undermining his very being and Luna still being pissed off at ponies for ingoring her night, but afraid of giving into that rage.
     
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    Which should be tripping all your alarms. I know it's a dream-world, but it should not be this easy, unless something is very wrong.

    We look around a half-starved huddle of ponies, who shrink back as we look at them.

    "Who..?"

    "Discord's victims. They come from all parts of the world, speak all manner of languages, practice all manner of customs… He frequently broke up families or changed parts of the ponies' memories and bodies for his own amusement."
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    Which makes his redemption all the odder, given his crimes. Unless they left him conscious while stoned, so that he was monumentally bored...

    I watch one pony fire a chameleon tongue at a fly, wincing as she tastes it and trying not to gag. Another has teeth like a shark and doesn't appear to have eaten in some time. A third is making clucking noises, and I have no idea whether they're a chicken physically transformed into a pony or if Discord just rewired their vocal system. Or a pony given a chicken's mentality.

    "And after he had his entertainment, he paid no care to whether or not they could survive as he remade them, or in the land to which they had been brought."
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    The fun of a godlike being with childish taste in entertainment.

    I nod. "No concept of supply chains. You were all just there for his entertainment." I frown. "I'm a little surprised that you're not getting the red sigil from this."

    She shakes her head sadly. "Have We not done the same? Eternal night would have frozen the world, or frozen one half and scorched the other. We cannot hold another to a higher standard than We hold Ourself. But when We acted against him We were guided by compassion for Our citizens."
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    And I doubt the Elements of Harmony would have responded so well to Rage...

    An indigo flare, and another sigil.

    "Oh, these poor dears."

    A mare wearing a crown of roses nuzzles a cyclops pony, who looks slightly happier.
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    Oh, boy, another mouthpiece.

    "That Discord deserves what's coming to him."

    I look at Luna in concern, but she shakes her head.

    "You do not need to convince Use. We were one of those who administered judgement 'pon him."
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    But of course it'll argue against it.

    "Were you really?" The mare comes a little closer, and I see that the rose stems are covered in thorns which are biting into her skin. "Do you think he suffered a lot while he was a statue? Do you think it was more or less than you did on the moon?"

    "More, probably. And for longer."
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    To be honest, Discord would have found being locked in stone pure torture, stuck seeing the same vista day after day, in almost unchanging stasis.

    The mare smiles. "And when you shot him with the Elements of Harmony? Did that hurt him more?"

    "Why do you wish to know?"

    "Oh, I just love helping ponies who are hurt. But I can only do that if there are hurt ponies around."
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    Yeah, there's a word for that. And it's not a nice one.

    Luna considers that for a moment.

    "What is your name?"

    "Twisted Caretaker."
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    How appropriate.

    "And are you truly alive?"

    "Of course! I'm getting a one sixth share of your body when we win. I wanna be there for Celestia, you know? I must be horrible for her to spend all that time trying to get you back only to lose you again right away."
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    She's so confident she'll succeed and they'll fail. What aren't they seeing?

    "Avarice and rage, Luna. There's nothing to be-."

    "You were the one who revealed to Us that the copies of Pinkie Pie were intelligent beings. We did not intend for the Tantabus to have such mental flexibility but clearly it does. Why would you have Us treat this creature differently?"
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    She's got a point. Or would you like to be the hyprocritical one today, Grayven?

    "Time constraints. If the Elements of Harmony hadn't been available, would you rather Celestia let Nightmare Moon win, or kill her?"

    Luna's eyes dip. "She should have killed Us."
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    Daaaang... The Exile had deeper effects than she's shown, eh?

    "Right. So either we're going about this the right way and they'll be.. purified or whatever, or they'll die and the monster we made won't get freed. So pick-."

    She flaps her wings, the air buckles, and we fly through the air and land on a balcony of the Canterlot palace. Luna stalks off.

    "We will show you what we want most of all."
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    Oh, boy, these two Lights are going to push Luna into dark places, aren't they?

    I trot along behind her, letting her get a little ahead.

    "Yes, yes, good."
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    Focus, Grayven, ignore the plot ahead of you.

    I'm a little lost for a moment, but then I recognise where we are. I came through the mirror not far from-.

    A phantasm of me steps out of an adjoining corridor-.

    "HAVE AT THEE!"
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    Ah, that's what she wanted, eh? A real fight.

    Luna tears an ornamental spear from the wall and lunges at 'me', stabbing and slashing as the phantasm is forced to back up, clumsily trying to turn aside the point with his forehooves.

    "WE FINALLY FACED AN ENEMY WE COULD ENGAGE WITH OUR OWN POWER AND WE WERE CRUELY DENIED OUR RELEASE! BUT HERE IN OUR DREAM WE SHALL NOT BE-"
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    Oh, my. Phrasing, Luna. I understand you're frustrated...

    She rams the spear forward, piercing the phantasm through the chest and out through the haunches. She steps back as he weakly grasps at the spear shaft before collapsing on the ground.

    "-DENIED!"
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    Not quite the penetration either of them really needed, was it?

    She takes a couple of panting breaths and then turns to give me an interrogative stare.

    …

    "Might be standing proud-"
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    Curb your libido, pony-boy. Not the time.

    "Ugh."

    "-again."

    She glares. "Even if We felt inclined to such behaviour, yours would be the last 'proud standing' that We would touch."
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    Given the rumours Grayven was spreading, I bet she'll have plenty of volunteers, too.

    I smile saucily. "But you would get there eventually?"

    She huffs. "Why do you insist on this behaviour?"
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    Because he's a horny brony. And he's living the dream...

    "Because you've still got anger to go." I look at her peytral. "And.. apparently I'm not making you angry enough."

    "You are-." She exhales sharply. "A most vexing-"
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    Vexing is not angry. Try Righteous Anger, perhaps aimed at the Anti-Life Equation?

    "Hey, maybe you actually like it?"

    "-individual."

    Still no? Huh.
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    Boy, she is clamped tight. Of course, we all know why...

    "Okay, so what makes you really angry?"

    She hesitates for a moment, then regains her poise.
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    And she does not want to talk about it...

    "What makes you afraid to be honest, Grayven? Thou hast not hesitated to speak of thine manifold acts of violence before. Is there some great shame that thou fears that thou must confess to gain Honesty's blessing? Art thou not proud but rather shrivelled in the manner of a raisin or prune?"

    Damn, pony!
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    Ha! Insulting his manhood, his honour and his ego all in one sentence! Now that's a princess. I doubt it's making Grayven any less interested though. :V

    "Okay, not even joking now, but are you single? Because I like mares with courage and aggression, and you-."

    The floor drops out beneath us and we plummet into the void!
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    Ah, looks like the bad guy is tired of all the flirting, and is throwing them into bed together... Or just wants them to stop arguing and die.

    Seriously, Just how frustrated must Luna be these days? I doubt she has Stallions lining up to woo her. The only one who wasn't scared of her was underage...

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    It must be horrible for her...
     
    I kind of wondered this for a while if Renegade Paul ever admitted his identity and took it up again what would happen to his mantle as a new god.


    right now he's been mantling a new God of conquest Graven. so what happens if he stops being Graven does he become Paul God of conquest or does he become Paul God of something or other
     
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