With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Siskulous · Mar 20, 2020

some one said:
but it does not fall under the definition of fascist

True. People often forget that fascism is a very specific type of government and that not all genocidal governments are fascist.

transhumansage said:
are you one of those ppl salty about the tau originally being good guys.

Um...The Tau were never good guys. They were at best Lawful Neutral.

ForeverShogo said:
Maybe the Tau have good waifus?

I'll just leave this here...

Mr Zoat said:
Orange light blasts outward, veins and arteries reknitting, muscle regrowing and organs repairing, shrapnel evaporating and infections being scourged from existence. Yes YES!

Guh! Stop! Stop. Stop.

Did he just accidentally heal a bunch of Genestealers?

AtomicGeneral25 said:
s everyone was saying earlier, depends on which version of the Tau we're dealing with here.

Not....really? Either you have the early Tau stuff with a society that we know almost nothing about (those early resources were VERY short on details, which is probably the only reason they looked like they might be good guys) or you have the later ones with the oppressive police state where the citizens are so brainwashed that even thinking of working against the Tau Empire becomes nearly impossible.

Vaermina · Mar 20, 2020

TheEyes said:
He seems to have a regenerating ring, like the WHF version, because a single charge in a Warhammer world is just not fun or fair. Maybe this one has a database too?

His ring is just trickle charging via drawing power from the Warp, it's not any different from the other Pauls.

Orabilis said:
Citations needed. If you want people to believe this who don't already agree could you please show some examples and comparisons?

The Codex's...

From Staff's which allow them to control time, to multidimensional pokeballs, to an art installation that can destroy any star in the galaxy.

Mr Zoat said:
That whole thing is total retcon BS which I won't be using.

Then your character isn't in Warhammer 40k but Fanfiction land number 8642.

Coda said:
You have such little imagination.

A strategic alliance between peer nations, for example, would have most of the same effects as being conquered. A suzerainty is another option, which is technically being conquered, but leaves the Tau with enough self-determination to be equivalent for nearly all practical non-military purposes.

But the Tau aren't a peer nation, or even near a peer nation.

Further the Imperium doesn't work like that, which makes such an option an impossibility.

Again, such a small imagination.

We're seeing an example right now -- he knows about Genestealers and cultists, and he has out-of-context ideas on a general level for how to deal with things that the default Tau mindset might not have considered. (Heck, being human in and of itself gives that benefit; he doesn't even have to be from out of the universe.)

Things which might save a few Tau lives but has no real effect on the greater galaxy.

Rhomanion1 said:
In fact they do, their warp travel is just inferior to human warp travel due to their lack of navigators, hence only being able to jump relatively short distances.

Nope, the Tau use an FTL system that bounces their vessels off the dimensional barrier between real space and the warp.

It never actually enters the warp itself.

Orabilis · Mar 20, 2020

Vaermina said:
The Codex's...

From Staff's which allow them to control time, to multidimensional pokeballs, to an art installation that can destroy any star in the galaxy.

Firstly the plural of codex is codices (pronounced code-ess-eez). Secondly could I have page references for not only the advanced Necron stuff but also for your other claims like Tau technology being "the least advanced in the setting by several orders of magnitude." Which I think is a bold claim when orks exist. Or this claim "Imperium technology runs the gambit from a couple thousand years more advanced then the Tau to more advanced then the Guardians." I thought the imperium maintained feudal worlds with a technology level far less than the Tau empire.

Also you might well be correct about this statement "Also a lot of it runs at least partially on the Nosphere, which is psychic magic. And of course most of the Imperium's tech is warded." (I think you meant Noosphere but I get what you are saying) but I would like some page references for that. This shouldn't be too difficult most of the wikis have references for their articles.

Mr Zoat · Mar 20, 2020

Rhomanion1 said:
Just wondering, just what edition or combination thereof is this 40k setting based off of? Because from what I've been able to find Tau were introduced in 3rd edition and the Necrons got their first codex in the same edition, but I don't know any background for Necrons that doesn't include the War in Heaven which I believe you said was noncanon here.

I really didn't say everything I said.

Siskulous said:
Did he just accidentally heal a bunch of Genestealers?

No. Just the battle wounds.

Orabilis said:
Firstly the plural of codex is codices (pronounced code-ess-eez). Secondly could I have page references for not only the advanced Necron stuff but also for your other claims like Tau technology being "the least advanced in the setting by several orders of magnitude." Which I think is a bold claim when orks exist. Or this claim "Imperium technology runs the gambit from a couple thousand years more advanced then the Tau to more advanced then the Guardians." I thought the imperium maintained feudal worlds with a technology level far less than the Tau empire.

Yes. I mean, it's true that the most advanced technology the tau have is far more primitive than the most advanced technology that the Imperium has. It's even more primitive than things that the Imperium can make, like mind impulse units or vortex missiles. But the tau can mass produce pretty much everything they have and have forgotten nothing, while in the Imperium the boltgun -a weapon worse than the standard weapon handed out to newly qualified Fire Warriors- requires so much maintenance to keep in good working condition that it's limited to the Space Marines.

Maelgwyn · Mar 20, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
I really didn't say everything I said.

Sorry about that then, just saw what you said about not using the current Ork backstory and thought that applied to the rest of the species involved in the conflict:

Mr Zoat said:
That whole thing is total retcon BS which I won't be using.

Does this mean while Old Ones and Eldar were fighting C'tan and Necrons, Orks were unrelated to that and just appeared on their own?

Vaermina · Mar 20, 2020

Orabilis said:
Firstly the plural of codex is codices (pronounced code-ess-eez). Secondly could I have page references for not only the advanced Necron stuff but also for your other claims like Tau technology being "the least advanced in the setting by several orders of magnitude." Which I think is a bold claim when orks exist. Or this claim "Imperium technology runs the gambit from a couple thousand years more advanced then the Tau to more advanced then the Guardians." I thought the imperium maintained feudal worlds with a technology level far less than the Tau empire.

Necron Codex 7e Armory of the Ancients, somewhere around page 250 in the epub version.

As to the Imperium, it sounds like you are thinking of the couple dozen Feudal Worlds. (Some of which are actually pretty advanced) Keeping in mind that the Imperium counts over a million settled worlds under it's banner.

Also you might well be correct about this statement "Also a lot of it runs at least partially on the Nosphere, which is psychic magic. And of course most of the Imperium's tech is warded." (I think you meant Noosphere but I get what you are saying) but I would like some page references for that. This shouldn't be too difficult most of the wikis have references for their articles.

As the wiki's say, Mechanicum pages 100-103, 119-122, 195, 220-221, 226, 229.

Someguy Somewhere · Mar 20, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Ugh, that's stupid.

During the Forgeworld Tau vs Imperium campaign book, the fact that the Imperium lost an assassin to kill the Aun'O was shown to be a mistake on their part, as the Aun had little to no role in military command and the Shas'O they should have killed passed his Ld check.

The AI thing is dumb as well. Aun'Va oversees Tau Empire policy as the senior Ethereal. There are plenty of other Aun would could do the job, probably several within the same building. Him dying is a shock but it's hardly critical to the Empire as a whole. There's no reason to create an AI like that.

Indeed it is stupid. Considering that yes, the loss of their supreme leader is bad, but this skill set was not unique to him alone and that there are other functional Ethereal out there that could take over. But I think this was a strike of the GrimDerp aspect of what the writers have done with the Tau to whittle away at the Good Guy look they started with. They wanted to make Aun'O something of a Cult of Personality, and they built him as a cornerstone of the species as a whole. Offing him like this was to show that the Tau when faced with the difficulty of moving on without him well... flinched... and instead started up this terrible puppet show just to keep the status quo. It's to show that they're just as dumb and self sabotaging as every other race in 40k.

Another way to look at is (in universe), when a normal Ethereal dies in combat, the troops go berserk and attack the killer without thought or plan. When the HEAD Ethereal is brutally killed by a known human agent, the rest of the Ethereals are actively preventing the whole race from trying to march against the Imperium on mass, because they KNOW they'd lose. So they pretend it didn't happen, put on this little puppet show and try to carry on.

Of course 'carrying on' lead to the 4th sphere of expansion...right into the new warp hole in the universe, and the whole fleet ended up either eaten by demons, or half way across the segmentum. And rather then leaving them to get nom'ed by plague marines, they set out a 5th expansion to try and reconnect. Good luck with that.

Mr Zoat · Mar 20, 2020

Rhomanion1 said:
Does this mean while Old Ones and Eldar were fighting C'tan and Necrons, Orks were unrelated to that and just appeared on their own?

It... Almost certainly won't matter, but no. Brain Boyz/Kroks were created by the Old Ones and in turn created the other orkoid species. Those... Stupid 'Primork' things weren't a thing.

Also, Primarchs are no longer giants. That was stupid. They're back to being marine size.

Vaermina · Mar 20, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Yes. I mean, it's true that the most advanced technology the tau have is far more primitive than the most advanced technology that the Imperium has. It's even more primitive than things that the Imperium can make, like mind impulse units or vortex missiles. But the tau can mass produce pretty much everything they have and have forgotten nothing, while in the Imperium the boltgun -a weapon worse than the standard weapon handed out to newly qualified Fire Warriors- requires so much maintenance to keep in good working condition that it's limited to the Space Marines.

That's not true on multiple levels.

According to Imperial Armor: Forces of the Astra Militarum page 56+ Boltguns are equipment commonly available to various groups of the Astra Militarum. (AKA the Imperial Guard)

The standard Tau pulse rifle has a lower range and penetration then the standard bolt rifle. (Tau Codex: Page 118 and any codex with Bolt Rifles.)

And the maintenance requirements are only that strict on Artifex Pattern bolters, and only then because of it's combination multi-spectral augur lenses, silacharibdis shot selector, and gene-grip bioveritor.

Ardy · Mar 20, 2020

Coda said:
Unless you changed names in the forum migration, I'm reasonably certain I've been around longer than you. Believe me, I know. The stuff that's just totally ridiculous I don't bother engaging with. It's when he has something that contains (or might reasonably contain) a good point that I think it's worth discussing.

Its-a-me, Parnary from SV!

Massgamer · Mar 20, 2020

It's a real shame we likely won't see more of Paul in WH40K since I'm getting really into it... then again I'm getting into all the crossover stuff Zoat is doing.

If nothing else shows that such a good author can crossover into a lot of things!

Mr Zoat · Mar 20, 2020

Someguy Somewhere said:
Indeed it is stupid. Considering that yes, the loss of their supreme leader is bad, but this skill set was not unique to him alone and that there are other functional Ethereal out there that could take over. But I think this was a strike of the GrimDerp aspect of what the writers have done with the Tau to whittle away at the Good Guy look they started with.

Except that he's not really their supreme leader. How Tau Empire governance works comes up in Fire Warrior and the Codices. Essentially, each caste in a sept is led by whatever semi-retired O's are available, and when the leaders meet to decide policy together the Aun'O makes sure that they're working effectively together. They don't decide things or impose solutions themselves; it's not their job and tau specialisation means that they probably wouldn't know how to anyway.

Which means that what Aun'Va actually does is oversee the most senior and capable tau in the Empire while they mostly sort things out amongst themselves. Unless they need a moral or theological decision he doesn't even need to speak during most meetings. Adding a species to the 'kill on sight' list? That's him, as advised by earth caste biologists and water caste sociologists. Planning fleet deployments? Nothing to do with him.

Someguy Somewhere · Mar 20, 2020

*pokes at modern 40k lore*

Evidently from the newer lore (thanks to phil kelly novels), Aun'Va's idea of overseeing the tau empire was aggressive expansion, and to be near the front lines, bodyguarded by Commander Shadowsun, to inspire the masses of fire warriors. Also he demand subordinates with ill news to kill themselves. Because of course they needed to get some seppuku in there. He actively took to the field during the largest battle of the third sphere.

He's also the one actively rewriting the history of the tau to take Farsight out of it, tearing down monuments and deleting entries in their archives.

Don't know if he's the one that specifically stated to do the whole 'Puretide Engram Neurochip' BS. (Sure, lets just take the brain of our best general, boil it down to a microchip and slap that into folks brains, What Could Go Wrong?) But it'd be around the same time frame that the first batch went out. It's also similar tech to what their AI would have been made from, so already foreshadowed the whole brain uploading crap.

Could be said there is a bit of a mirror to the Imperium here. You have the heresy, with Farsight playing Horus, and Aun'Va's death and AI replacement being a fill in for Emperor on the Golden Throne.

Orabilis · Mar 20, 2020

Vaermina said:
Necron Codex 7e Armory of the Ancients, somewhere around page 250 in the epub version.

I'm having trouble finding that section in the epub book (link killed). I might be looking in the wrong place though. I don't see how any of the stuff in that book really compares favourably to the Guardian's stuff though. The best stuff in there is, in order, a one-use flamethrower that kills people, a spooky set of armour, an orb that improves the chances of their reanimation protocols going off once per fight, a really good machine-pistol that lights up the whole goddamn area, a teleporter and a fancy scythe that kills most people it hits. Compared to one tiny object that can do essentially all that but also let the wearer travel through time, move through solid objects, clone itself etc. Do you still think that necron tech is better than guardian tech and if so why?

Vaermina said:
As to the Imperium, it sounds like you are thinking of the couple dozen Feudal Worlds. (Some of which are actually pretty advanced) Keeping in mind that the Imperium counts over a million settled worlds under it's banner.

Vaermina said:
Imperium technology runs the gambit from a couple thousand years more advanced then the Tau to more advanced then the Guardians. Also a lot of it runs at least partially on the Nosphere, which is psychic magic. And of course most of the Imperium's tech is warded.

So is your argument that gunpowder is "a couple thousand years more advanced [than] the Tau"? Is the astronomicon the best the IoM can make and is it any better than the Green Central Power Battery? Is there better tech that the IoM uses, if so how is that tech better than the battery and 1000 power rings?

Vaermina said:
As the wiki's say, Mechanicum pages 100-103, 119-122, 195, 220-221, 226, 229.

So firstly the novel Mechanicum that you are referencing takes place during the Horus Heresy so I think your data is around 11000 years out of date here. Your first reference is describing some one of a kind device called the Akashic Reader that uses Dark Age technology and does not support your claim that:

Vaermina said:
Also a lot of it runs at least partially on the Nosphere, which is psychic magic.

Pages 119-122 cover a theological discussion on the nature of the Machine God, The Emperor and faith itself. Also not supportive of your assertions. Page 195 is the end of an interview with a Titan Princeps reliving his machine being destroyed. Pages 220 and 221 cover a fight between Titans, with no mention of either the Noosphere or tech warding.

Vaermina said:
And of course most of the Imperium's tech is warded.

Page 226 is someone trying to lie their way past the equivalent of a customs check and page 229 is a pledge of loyalty from a bodyguard to their charge and a brief description of an important tech-priest taking calls and observing distress signals.

In summation all your references are spurious junk. Don't make me read trash from the black library and Matt Ward again unless they have some bearing on your argumentation. If you have any further evidence to submit or wish to argue my assessment of Guardian technology, or tell me I have the wrong books then do so but I am unlikely to humour your citations again unless you bring actual relevent quotes seeing as you can waste my time very easily with nonsense page numbers from books that I have to either own myself or pirate to even dispute you.

Thanks and have a great day!

IndigoAbyss · Mar 21, 2020

Hey, I'm going a bit off topic, but I'm wondering if anyone here has read Dceased and if you did, what are you thoughts about it?

Vaermina · Mar 21, 2020

Orabilis said:
I'm having trouble finding that section in the epub book (link killed). I might be looking in the wrong place though. I don't see how any of the stuff in that book really compares favourably to the Guardian's stuff though. The best stuff in there is, in order, a one-use flamethrower that kills people, a spooky set of armour, an orb that improves the chances of their reanimation protocols going off once per fight, a really good machine-pistol that lights up the whole goddamn area, a teleporter and a fancy scythe that kills most people it hits. Compared to one tiny object that can do essentially all that but also let the wearer travel through time, move through solid objects, clone itself etc. Do you still think that necron tech is better than guardian tech and if so why?

The official epub version of the 7e Necron codex has the section linked in it's table of contents.

Also this is Young Justice, not the main universe comic setting, so dial down the capabilities of those rings by a couple orders of magnitude.

So is your argument that gunpowder is "a couple thousand years more advanced [than] the Tau"? Is the astronomicon the best the IoM can make and is it any better than the Green Central Power Battery? Is there better tech that the IoM uses, if so how is that tech better than the battery and 1000 power rings?

The Imperium doesn't use gunpowder...

As to the best the Imperium can make... There's everything from the nano-tech gardens on Terra to the acasual weaponry on the Speranza.

*snip*

The thing about pirated pdf copies of a book... Their page numbers don't line up to the actual paperback novels...

hkim · Mar 21, 2020

Orabilis said:
In summation all your references are spurious junk. Don't make me read trash from the black library and Matt Ward again unless they have some bearing on your argumentation. If you have any further evidence ...

Vaermina said:
The thing about pirated pdf copies of a book... Their page numbers don't line up to the actual paperback novels...

oh my dark fucking gods there's two of them now

DAT_NOOB · Mar 21, 2020

Siskulous said:
Um...The Tau were never good guys. They were at best Lawful Neutral.

That's still good by 40k standards

Sockmonkey said:
Wouldn't the orks be really easy for an orange ring to subvert? Kind of like how OL was able to bring Mammon around? Whey want to break shit so it's just a matter of aiming them.

Literally say, if you let me subvert you I'll let you have a fight that doesn't even end if you die they'd probably want you to do it.

GhostKing 666 said:
Orks are the only race that fought during the War in Heaven that could actually restore themselves to the heights they had at the time, becoming Krork once again but this is not a good thing as Krork are still a rather monstrous race of living weapons, just with psychically boosted scary advanced technology, insanely huge disciplined armies of gigantic powered armored Krork(Imperial Knight sized and beyond) and the ability to speak in proper grammar.

*Angry Necron and Eldar noises*

IndigoAbyss said:
Hey, I'm going a bit off topic, but I'm wondering if anyone here has read Dceased and if you did, what are your thoughts about it?

I did I appreciated the spotlight green arrow got, the unkillables story looks interesting although I question some of the events in the second volume.

Queshire · Mar 21, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
I'm not upset because of the artwork. I'm contemptuous because of the artwork. The He-Man my SI ended up in had good art.

To be upset I'd have to actually watch the thing and see what else they messed up. She-Ra wasn't that big a part of my childhood, but if it compared unfavourably to programs I liked which got cancelled, maybe.

I mean, if you go into it looking for things to hate then yeah, there's enough that you'll probably hate it. It's a show written for early to mid teens and it shows. Alas, critics all too often forget that in pursuit of their criticism.

Go into it with an open mind though, and they manage to pull off some really interesting things.

OrigamiPhoenix · Mar 21, 2020

lancelot said:
Waiting for Paul to figure out the Tau are just as much monsters as everyone else, they're just subtle and try to hide it unlike everyone else.

I doubt he doesn't know, he just considers them the least mental. While I personally know much less about the Eldar, the nigh-brainwashed Tau are still a much better choice than the xenophobic, heavily stratified, and stagnant Imperium of Man.

Handlewithcare said:
Also, can the ring not just heal the Genestealer infection? if it can detect it, it should be able to remove it.

Assuming they're simply Contagii, maybe. He'd have to fix their entire genetic code, which would be difficult even if he had a record of their original genes. If they're a Hybrid, I sincerely doubt it.

Mr Zoat · Mar 21, 2020

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Seriously, did the Emperor abolish minutes or something?

"Hmm." Fio'Vre Lar'shi Manuur Shiirr stares at the orange aura protecting my left arm for a moment, then carefully applies a smart syringe to my cephalic vein. Nothing happens. "This may be easier if you turn off your force field."

"Sorry, hang on."

I turn the fingers of my left hand so that they're pointing right, then reach across with my right hand and pull the ring off. And.. this is the first time I've felt even remotely safe enough to do this. Nearly two weeks of dodging everything while desperately trying to grab enough data not to fly into the Maelstrom. To just.. find out where the blasted Tau Empire even was. 'Galactic East' narrowed it down to a mere 2 trillion cubic light years, then between the ring's bullshit hacking and translation I was just about able to find it without getting stopped.

Fucking warp travel and astrotelepathy. No one flies between solar systems through normal space, so I couldn't find isolated vessels to examine. No one sends exotic transmissions by bending physics merely a little, so there was nothing to intercept. No, I had to dodge system monitoring stations and get right up close to some truly terrifying thingamies. I haven't seen any Chaos-tainted ships yet, but I did see a world the tyranids were in the process of stripping, a small necron flotilla and.. a few stranger ships whose designs I didn't recognise.

Huh. I suppose I can find out for sure whether it's pronounced tee-ranid or tie-ranid. Just need to find a human who's heard of them and doesn't feel obliged to shoot me.

"Oo'rshi prrakah quanh voor?"

Mr Manuur has.. already removed the syringe. That was painless. No need for a bandage either, apparently. I shake my head. "I can't understand you." I slide the ring back on. "The ring has a translation function. Without it I'm stuck speaking a language that… No one but me and the Emperor remember."

High Gothic doesn't actually sound anything like Latin, any more than any of the hundreds of forms of Low Gothic I've heard sound like English.

"I asked: how urgent is this? Do you have a reason to believe that you are ill? Our facilities are not designed to perform complex diagnostic procedures upon humans, and despite your efforts we have many more casualties still to tend to."

"Oh, it's not urgent at all." I look around the small diagnostic laboratory we're in. The door's closed, monitoring is.. on automatic… "I just wanted to get you alone for a moment."

His facial cleft tightens momentarily. "That is.. not an efficient use of my time. We have many more wounded-."

"I wanted to speak to you so that I could alert you to an… Epidemic I detected amongst the crew when I came on board. Fio'Vre, I appreciate that you are a medical doctor and not a xenobiological researcher and.. that the Tau may be completely unfamiliar with the phenomenon… But do you know what a Genestealer Cultist is?"

"Gene-stealer. That is what humans call the y'he elite assault creatures."

I hold out my right hand and generate an image of one, drawing particular attention to its reproductive organ. "They don't really use these in battle, but when they're performing long range infiltration missions they use these to implant some sort of.. viral DNA in their victims."

"Plausible. Do they use a disease weapon to weaken the target population before an invasion?"

If only. "No. It does.. several things. Firstly, it ties the victim to their brood telepathy. Once the infection really gets going they're as much a part of the brood as the genestealers themselves; they'll do anything to further its interests, regardless of what they believed beforehand. Secondly, it alters their reproductive system so that their offspring are… We call them genestealer hybrids-."

"That sounds somewhat implausible. The modifications that would be required in order to undertake such a change in physiology would be extensive, and altering the brain of a human to make it in any way compatible with those of the y'he would kill the host more than often than not." He turns away, reaching for a computer console. "Still, there is much that is not understood regarding y'he biotechnology. It may well be that you are simply-."

"Ah, what are you doing?"

He glances back. "This is not the Imperium, human. We do not closet information away from those who need it. A simple enquiry-."

"Who gets notified that you're making such an enquiry?"

His hands stop moving. "Certain enquiries trigger automatic messages to the commanding officer, senior security officer and highest ranking Aun. Kor'Vre Vhel'ua was killed by the strike on the bridge, along with-." He shudders. "Aun'Vre Vuraul. And our security complement have other things to worry about."

"But there would be a record."

"Yes. You want me to simply take your word for it that they have these abilities, and.. presumably have subordinated a part of the crew. Would it be the Tarellians, by any chance?"

"Ah, no. All appeared to be tau, most likely Brood Brothers and Sisters. On an Imperial ship I'd be worried about purestrains as well, but from the looks of things tau ships are actually… Sensibly organised, rather than being gothic space churches."

"And what do you believe will happen if they do discover that I am making queries about them?"

"I don't know." Hm. "Usually when a cult is discovered they either hide or attack. We're on a space ship and there aren't that many of them. I'm not sure." Except… These are tau brood members, not ignorant and superstitious humans. "Though… If they've taken samples of the virus which the purestrains use, they.. could go on an injection rampage or… Maybe aerosolise it?"

"I am doing nothing until I can confirm that they even have these abilities. I am grateful for the lives of those you have healed, but this is-."

The door opens and a gangly tau in green and brown robes strides in, Miss Tsua'm just behind… Him? His head is taller and narrower, and his facial cleft is a little smaller than those of the other tau I've seen. An Ethereal, though given that Doctor Manuur just told me that the leading Ethereal died I've got no idea how senior he is. Ring, is he-? No, good.

He stops, taking a moment to study me. "Gue'vesa, I am Aun'Saal Lar'shi Bo'ohk."

"Ah, someone my rank. That will cut down on the saluting."

He blinks, his head turning slightly towards Miss Tsua'm. She leans forward slightly. "A human military greeting exchanged between superior and subordinate, my lord."

"Ah. Indeed, no. I had believed that I would need to minister to the dying, but it seems that your intervention has spared me that duty. You have the thanks of the tau, and since you have expressed an interest in learning of the Greater Good I am willing to make time to instruct you in it."

I nod. "Thank you." Ring, shut the door. "But we have a more immediate problem to deal with first."

Doctor Manuur steps away from the console, eyes slightly down. "My lord, the human believes that a portion of the crew have been… 'Infested' by the y'he. I cannot confirm that they have the capacity he described without accessing computer records and he is concerned that they may be monitoring the archive. It is-."

Mr Bo'ohk's cleft wrinkles. "Yes, I know of this. The gene stealers. There are infected tau on board this ship?"

I hold up my left hand. "This ring's AI isn't clever enough to lie."

He walks past me and Doctor Manuur to the computer console. "I have codes for accessing our data files without leaving a record." He activates it, presses a few buttons and then steps back. "I regret, Fio'Vre, that our knowledge is far from comprehensive, but it is now available to you."

A holographic projection appears, and Doctor Manuur's eyes dart over it before he walks up to the console and starts pressing buttons to call up additional data. "Mm. We have no record of inter-tau transmission. There must be a purestrain somewhere, most likely many. I can begin a round of blood tests on all members of the crew, and isolate those who show the signature physical anomalies."

I shake my head. "You'll need to drug them. With brood telepathy, if the others detect their fellows being picked up-."

"Yes. Wise. Even so, it may not be entirely reliable. We may need to simply identify them and release them temporarily. Dealing with intelligent diseases is beyond my field of expertise."

"Fio'Vre, Aun'Saal, if you believe me when I tell you that they exist, why not simply let me mark them out for you? You could pick them up in one go, perform your tests to make sure that I'm not lying and then… Either try to cure them or euthanize them."

Doctor Manuur looks at Mr Bo'ohk for guidance, but Mr Bo'ohk merely makes a.. palm outward gesture with both hands. "Disease outbreak containment is part of your sphere of responsibility. I will support your decision."

Doctor Manuur looks down for a moment, then makes a close fisted gesture with his right hand. "We will need to create additional holding areas. And this will have to wait until the casualties from the ork attack have been stabilised. But I will begin making plans now."

Gets Shot · Mar 21, 2020

That went way better than I expected.

Katillno · Mar 21, 2020

Does this Paul have a lantern because how is he charging his ring

lancelot · Mar 21, 2020

OrigamiPhoenix said:
I doubt he doesn't know, he just considers them the least mental. While I personally know much less about the Eldar, the nigh-brainwashed Tau are still a much better choice than the xenophobic, heavily stratified, and stagnant Imperium of Man.

Doesn't the book mention forced sterilizations of xenos, and if your race doesn't add anything cool enough there have been multiple coincidental planetary scale 'accidents' that genocide whatever race that homeworld belongs too?

Jus4532 · Mar 21, 2020

Katillno said:
Does this Paul have a lantern because how is he charging his ring

The Warp I think. Warhammer Fantasy Paul was able to charge his ring through the warp, so this Paul could probably do that.

Vaermina · Mar 21, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
No one sends exotic transmissions by bending physics merely a little, so there was nothing to intercept.

Actually according to Star of Damocles the Imperium has short range FTL sub-space communications and sensors.

Cherico · Mar 21, 2020

Gets Shot said:
That went way better than I expected.

The tau for all their faults are a sensible people it is unfortunate that they live in a unsensible universe.

JerkRyanShadowWanker · Mar 21, 2020

Jus4532 said:
The Warp I think. Warhammer Fantasy Paul was able to charge his ring through the warp, so this Paul could probably do that.

That sounds like an hilariously bad idea, I get beggers can't be choosers but still.

Vaermina · Mar 21, 2020

Cherico said:
The tau for all their faults are a sensible people it is unfortunate that they live in a unsensible universe.

The Tau are ostriches that vigorously suppress any information that might harm the party line.

rkyeun · Mar 21, 2020

WarPauller could probably do more than simply identify the infected. Because he probably really strongly not to have that particular threat around and the ring is bullshit about reconstruction and healing under those circumstances. There are plenty of healthy Tau to use as physical, mental, and genetic reference. Paul should be able to just YOINK and replace the altered DNA with fresh clean DNA.

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