With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Zig]

I mean I think everyone can agree character assassination is bad. I don't think that it's relevant in the context we're dealing with, though.

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Is it though? Why? If it's not rude to write about someone else's SI without asking for permission, then why is it rude to do so poorly? That's the rub, Zoat hasn't actually written anything wrong, and in general can be trusted to treat characters he writes with respect (except Nabu and Superman). I'm sure most of the writers of various fanfics would jump for joy to be included in this story, which actually makes the fact that he didn't ask worse.

 

[Megaolix]

Guys, I have to admit the situation is kinda fairly new and staff will likely need time to discuss it. In the meantime, let's avoid the pitchforks, please.

 

[lancelot]

No, in I Want To See You Smile, Vanilla mentions selling copper.

I wish I could predict things as well as you.

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It's a story five years dead, who gives a fuck? Do your thing, don't shit on the character too hard as a common courtesy, and 'all will be well'.

 

[Radix]

Let's say somebody else was writing a fanfic that got massively popular, and they had an interdimensional traveler show up that turned out to be Zoat, and then he raped that parallel's version of Zatanna who was still 14 years old. Would that be a problem? I'd think so, can't speak for Zoat if he'd have a problem with it but some fans would. Now Zoat has so far handled the character respectfully, hell she's coming off nicer and smarter than she did in the original work, and that's probably why the author said they'd have said yes if asked. That's why it's good manners to ask for permission, because then the author of an SI can say they trust the person asking the permission to do their work justice. No one is saying Zoat had to ask permission, just that it would have been better to have done so.

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Does Blaul's statuary rape in negative 10 count?

Yeah I agree that character assasination is bad, but this isnt necessarily that.

Plus this is a consequence of you putting out a story. It being a self-insert doesnt afford it special rights. SIs are characters just like any other, the only difference is they are based on you specifically as opposed to being based om other characters or people you know or even one you invented. I dont see how one is worse than another.

 

[TheLunarwolf]

It's a story five years dead, who gives a fuck?

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Well, the person who wrote the character seems to give a fuck.

Hence why it's blown up into something that has had Moderator involvement.

 

[lancelot]

Well, the person who wrote the character seems to give a fuck.

Hence why it's blown up into something that has had Moderator involvement.

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No mods here and the mods there just told them to cut it the fuck out. Also it's a dead character from a dead story, saying the character is really her is a gods damned joke. She wants to go with that she can show us the bunny ears. Nevermind it's a story that stole most of it's entire concept from Zoat's story and I don't remember Zoat crying about it, so lets just let it die already.

 

[Radix]

No mods here and the mods there just told them to cut it the fuck out. Also it's a dead character from a dead story, saying the character is really her is a gods damned joke. She wants to go with that she can show us the bunny ears. Nevermind it's a story that stole most of it's entire concept from Zoat's story and I don't remember Zoat crying about it, so lets just let it die already.

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There is literally a mod a few comments up from you sayi lng they are discussing it.

 

[Roquemore]

IMHO, fanfic is fanfic. It doesn't matter if it's fanfic of a commercially published work, fanfic of self-published original fiction, or fanfic of a fanfic. The entire idea of fanfic is that it's transformative work that doesn't require the consent of the original author to be published.

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How many writers here have gone and asked the permission of DC, George Martin, Joanne Rowling, or others for permission to play with their stories and characters?

By that logic almost all fanfiction is in bad taste. Asking for special protections for derivitive fiction writers, more than the original fiction writers whose settings and characters we use as if we have any right to, is the height of hypocrisy. Let's just move on.

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I'd say the big difference here is that, when a work is commercially or otherwise 'professionally' released (see, for example, author Cory Doctorow releasing various works for free and public use but with clearly indicated licensing and attribution), it's easy for even cursory research to determine which work is the original, and who to attribute anything they like or don't like in a given derivative work.

When things are purely within the realm of fanfiction, however, this kind of research becomes much more difficult, and Mr Zoat's ambiguous use of a plain link without any other indication of if this is a collaboration or merely a recursive fanfic really doesn't help matters.

With this in mind, for example, I feel like a simple, clear attribution along the lines of "Character X is based on work Y by author Z. This is a fanfiction use of that work and author Z is not involved in authoring this story." would have resulted in a much more neutral reaction, even without any bothering to get permission.

 

[Doccer]

And then the desert mission happened...

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Huh. My take away was that she lost the sum total of her experience there and whatever godlike being put her there, had stamp a OC personality in the grey matter to keep things going the way it had set things up. She really seemed she was pulling information from her ass to fill out an origin story up until then.
How did she get the SI knowledge if she really did previously exist?

 

[Coda]

really want to fix peoples' homes

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people's (because "people" is already plural)

Like how Weird Al always asks for permission to write his parodies even though he legally doesn't have to.

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Common misconception. He actually does, because his songs -- legally speaking -- aren't parodies. They're covers with comedy lyrics. In order to be legally considered a protected parody, it must be making commentary on the original. If it's just a funny song with lyrics about something else in the world, it's not a fair-use parody.

(Well. Strictly speaking, he doesn't need permission to write them, but he needs permission to distribute them once they've been written.)

Huh. My take away was that she lost the sum total of her experience there and whatever godlike being put her there, had stamp a OC personality in the grey matter to keep things going the way it had set things up. She really seemed she was pulling information from her ass to fill out an origin story up until then.
How did she get the SI knowledge if she really did previously exist?

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My reading is that the character is still the author at some level and is still involved in writing the story.

 

[hkim]

Probably. I dont really see why it is good manners to ask permission. It isnt needed and doesnt do anything.

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Good manners usually aren't needed and usually don't do anything. That's why they're manners and not laws or rules or anything. Agreed we're unlikely to hash it out by arguing though

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

Which might be a good place to let the arguments go? I know everyone wants to have their say, but at this point, it's the same two or three points being rehashed. Let's leave it to the Mods, Whiteeyes and Mr Zoat to sort out the argument in private and let our discussion turn back to in-universe stuff... Please? Before someone says something that gets the thread locked...

 

[BartlettMagic]

oh, oh, i want to be pedantic for a second!

We have accredited training schemes which would allow you

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schemes

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as an American, Bruce would probably say "programs" rather than "schemes" in this context- while they are technically synonyms in the English language, in America 'scheme' tends to have a negative connotation to it!

yay, i pretended to be smart on the internet today!

 

[Bramble Thorn]

I think it is hypocritical for people to be irritated at this, when nobody raised a complaint(that I can remember) for doing the same for Inviolate.

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Does the Inviolate author have a SB/SV/QQ account and is part of that community?
People may care more about one than the other as an Ingroup/Outgroup thing.
And I have no problem at all with him not asking DC. Because I think there is a big difference between in impersonal corporation and an actual person.

I wish I could predict things as well as you.

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Well you got the Mods talking about you. And nothing bad forum related has ever happened from you doing that in the past...
Also, just my two cents...

Spoiler: You're not *wrong* Walter, you're just an asshole.

 

[topin89]

Which might be a good place to let the arguments go?

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Thanks. I almost carried this on. I hope it will be resolved peacefully. God, maybe there would be some collaboration now.

And in story, I hope Paul will see that after eight years if constant multiverse stuff-fixing, he is either not a human at that point or that he became a real jerk to everybody for no good reason. Being tired of multiverse bullshit is not a valid excuse to ignore other people's feelings.

On the other hand, kinda ironic that while Vanilla did a lot of good staff, it's not like she asked anyone if they wanted renovation, while Paul gave Bullock kinda-sorta control of what to enhance.

I look forward to how SIs' worldviews will clash. Maybe it wouldn't be as one-sided as most previous lectures. And that alien thing, I guess Paul forgot what Viera looks like, if he knew in the first place.

 

[Belenus]

Am I the only one who's gotten the impression that this crossover is intended to be a learning experience for the Paul in question? Cause I'm getting a "The real treasure was the friends we made along the way" vibe from Paul and Vanilla's interactions.

 

[Maxx Crowley]

I wish I could predict things as well as you.

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Well, as much as I'd like to pat myself on the back, unlike with the SV situation...I couldn't have warned you about this one as I have no idea who this other apparent SI is.

But once a fuss was made....yeah it's gone just as I expected. I wish I could claim amazing predictive abilities, but sadly...it's just that things so very often occur exactly the same way.

The internet: The place of porn and drama.

And boy....I've seen a LOT of drama since I first got Dial up. I've been editing on Y!gal when a Supermod nuked the whole god damn thing from the inside, wiping hundreds of thousands of pieces of art and writing, before running off to try and start their own website. All because they got pissed at being overruled.

I was a part of Nuclear storm for 15 years. Before one day, a group of New people (mostly just one in particular) dropped A Pronoun bomb that ended the entire thing. Some of my old friends I managed to find....some I never have seen again.

I kinda feel like Roy Batty at the end of Blade runner. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe." Indeed....A gay teen with the internet in the late 90's into the 2000s? I have seen some fucking drama.

Saddest thing here? Last two parts are just flavored filler. Nothing to even care about.

But its the internet....and if its not porn....then its drama.

 

[Jonn Wolfe]

if its not porn....then its drama.

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That is sadly and extremely accurate.

 

[Zig]

Am I the only one who's gotten the impression that this crossover is intended to be a learning experience for the Paul in question? Cause I'm getting a "The real treasure was the friends we made along the way" vibe from Paul and Vanilla's interactions.

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Given how Vanilla is, that does not seem likely. "Joy" can be found in many places, and she finds joy in trolling the shit out of people.

 

[Mr Zoat]

7th August 2012
20:20 GMT

"'Something given has no value'."

I frown, then exhale sharply as we're led towards the bridge.

"You have a power ring. Don't be lazy and watch the film version."

"The book version doesn't summarise the idea so well."

"It's not that complicated an idea. The way I value things has changed a lot since I got my ring, too. I only got into fighting because I realised how dangerous the universe is and wanted to be able to maximise my advantages. Which sounds rational, until you realise that I've put myself in more danger trying to learn how to do that."

"And if that was your real motivation, you should have stopped the moment you realised that was what was happening."

"If it stayed my real motivation, I should have stopped the moment I realised that was what was happening. But by then I had friends in that subculture. And I had-." I frown. "Did I ever talk to you about the Crime Bible?"

"No." Her eyes flash and she nods. "Greed. The fable of the First's entry into Har-Mammon."

"The other way of looking at it. In your former life you'd have been happy with the metaphorical cup of water. But now…"

"So what exactly is my Har-Mammon?"

"No idea. And that's the problem restated. The comparison just struck me as amusing. What are people telling you that you can't have?"

"Nothing. … Oh. That's the problem, isn't it?"

"Maybe." The bridge on this ship doesn't have doors, but our escort turns aside as we walk through the noise-cancelling field across the entry. "Maybe. Captain!"

"My lord Illustres!" The richly-dressed merchant smiles and nods. "How have you enjoyed the journey?"

"Pleasant enough." I shrug. "I'm not used to travelling by ship. I'm afraid that I have little to compare it to."

"I suppose that a power ring does have that utility. And you, my lady?"

Lantern Drusa smiles politely.

"It's the nicest cargo ship I've ever travelled upon. It's a shame the Illustres kept me too busy to get a proper tour."

"Perhaps on the way back. We're-."

A chime sounds, and the crew focus on their stations. We're back in real space. I look through the hull, trying to spot the rest of the fleet: the cargo barges and escort frigates. Yes, there they are, exactly where they should be. The form of faster than light travel our hosts use makes it a little tricky to keep in contact with other ships, though on the plus side it's a little faster at moving high mass objects than what the L.E.G.I.O.N. fleet uses.

"We're in normal space…" The captain looks around and gets a nod from the comms officer. "And so is everyone else."

"Good show. What's the protocol for requesting a pilot?"

"Usually, they contact us when we get a little closer. They're the ones who are more heavily occupied, after all. I assume that you want to make official contact with the government of Yuna?"

"Well… Let them know I'm here, anyway. It's not as if we're in a rush. What was it, four days if they've got a pilot already on station?"

"Pilots, my lord. One per ship."

Drusa frowns. "How do they make sure that no one overrides them?"

"A combination of interdiction fields and the enmity of every other ship in the system." The captain makes a gesture of dismissal. "We're required to submit the general design of our control systems ahead of time, and they use a form of memory implant that allows the pilots to be trained extremely quickly. But they know perfectly well that if any one ship wanted to circumvent their controls, it could do so. For a few moments, at least."

"Will there be a customs inspection?"

"They'll want to confirm that our stated cargo matches what's actually in our hold. There are very few goods absolutely prohibited in Yuna, but there are certain things that can't be traded on the surface of the planet. There's little point bringing refined metals onto a planet if the buyer is going to need to drag it back out of the gravity well. And they aren't keen on weapons or highly destructive substances threatening their population centres."

"Are slaves traded here?"

He looks slightly awkward for a moment.

"Technically, no. Employment contracts can be traded, though for the most part that's for high status individuals who are well compensated. Most of the worlds in this region of space have little interest in purchasing unskilled labourers."

"And in reality?"

"There's probably some. It's not a major industry though; that I can tell you for certain."

Not as if it would really be appropriate for me to try doing anything about it anyway. Not until we've finished our war with the Reach. But it's nice to have a reminder that I'll always have something to do somewhere. What was the Warhammer 40,000 quote? 'For those who seek perfection there is no rest this side of the grave'? Something like that.

"Why are you smiling?"

"I just had my fear of unemployment quashed." I can tell from the expression on Lantern Drusa's face that she doesn't understand. "My greatest desire is to effect positive change in the universe. If everything was perfect then I'd have nothing to do; I'd be in your position."

"What does your perfection look like?"

"I'm not exactly sure. I was exposed to a Black Mercy once, and that showed me-."

The comms officer signals the captain again, who makes a gesture of agreement. A moment later the captain's screen lights up with the face of a gyuanite, the local dominant sophont. A non-standard humanoid race, they have deep blue skin and an elongated head and body. This one has.. some sort of mouth and eye guards, though I suppose they could be either purely functional or purely decorative.

"Captain. Welcome back to Yuna."

"Thank you, system controller. I would like to make my approach as soon as possible."

"Quite understandable. I can dispatch a customs detail to you at once. Please have your full manifest up to date for their arrival."

"Of course."

The system controller presses some buttons off screen.

"I'm afraid that there won't be enough pilots for your entire fleet for half a local day, but I can dispatch enough for your own ship and one escort immediately. Would that be acceptable?"

"Certainly."

"Then I will arrange it at once. Are there any other matters which you wish to bring to my attention?"

"One.. other matter. I'm transporting a diplomat from Maltus."

"Maltus?"

The captain motions to me, and I step into range of his console's camera.

"Pleased to meet you. I'm the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps, and I would like to meet with a representative of your government at their earliest convenience."

The system controller's skin turns mildly green.

"I will refer that upwards at once. Excuse me."

The screen deactivates.

 

[Darko]

There are very few good

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'goods'

"I'm not exactly sure. I was exposed to a Black Mercy once, and that showed me-."

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A poly relationship.

 

[Radiant Knight]

Well I guess that's that for the interlude. Back to your regularly scheduled avarice enlightening- and I see the traffic controller knows better than to make a snap judgment on a foreign dignitary. Booting it upstairs is the right call, not that his superiors will appreciate it when it lands on their desks

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

7th August 2012
20:20 GMT

"'Something given has no value'."

I frown, then exhale sharply as we're led towards the bridge.

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Oh, it has value. Not always to the person receiving it, though. To the person giving, it can be everything. And all too often, a situation like that results in more conflict than it was intended to resolve...

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"You have a power ring. Don't be lazy and watch the film version."

"The book version doesn't summarise the idea so well."

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Nevertheless, it behoves you to study the whole of the concept, not just its summary. Sometimes that summary can miss a subtext in the full work.

"It's not that complicated an idea. The way I value things has changed a lot since I got my ring, too. I only got into fighting because I realised how dangerous the universe is and wanted to be able to maximise my advantages. Which sounds rational, until you realise that I've put myself in more danger trying to learn how to do that."

"And if that was your real motivation, you should have stopped the moment you realised that was what was happening."

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Hardly. Hero work has an almost addictive quality to it, even with powers that aren't making you want to use them. After all: Doing good feels good.

"If it stayed my real motivation, I should have stopped the moment I realised that was what was happening. But by then I had friends in that subculture. And I had-." I frown. "Did I ever talk to you about the Crime Bible?"

"No." Her eyes flash and she nods. "Greed. The fable of the First's entry into Har-Mammon."

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Oh, she's a quick one. Evidently the time alone with the Illustres has been well spent learning.

"The other way of looking at it. In your former life you'd have been happy with the metaphorical cup of water. But now…"

"So what exactly is my Har-Mammon?"

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Well, that's for you to work out, isn't it?

"No idea. And that's the problem restated. The comparison just struck me as amusing. What are people telling you that you can't have?"

"Nothing. … Oh. That's the problem, isn't it?"

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Exactly. What do you want, when you can have anything? In the end you face Choice Paralysis. And that can cripple an Orange Lantern... Or turn them into Larfleeze.

"Maybe." The bridge on this ship doesn't have doors, but our escort turns aside as we walk through the noise-cancelling field across the entry. "Maybe. Captain!"

"My lord Illustres!" The richly-dressed merchant smiles and nods. "How have you enjoyed the journey?"

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3 days of doing little but study. Hardly the most entertaining trip, I suppose.

"Pleasant enough." I shrug. "I'm not used to travelling by ship. I'm afraid that I have little to compare it to."

"I suppose that a power ring does have that utility. And you, my lady?"

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Now, her time would have been well spent. Even a few hours with OL can give a Lantern new insights.

Lantern Drusa smiles politely.

"It's the nicest cargo ship I've ever travelled upon. It's a shame the Illustres kept me too busy to get a proper tour."

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And doesn't that sound like it could be taken out of context. Oh, myyy...[/takei]

"Perhaps on the way back. We're-."

A chime sounds, and the crew focus on their stations. We're back in real space. I look through the hull, trying to spot the rest of the fleet: the cargo barges and escort frigates. Yes, there they are, exactly where they should be. The form of faster than light travel our hosts use makes it a little tricky to keep in contact with other ships, though on the plus side it's a little faster at moving high mass objects than what the L.E.G.I.O.N. fleet uses.

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More energy-efficient, but less tactics-friendly, eh? I'm guessing courses are very precisely plotted, when you may not be aware of the ships around you...

"We're in normal space…" The captain looks around and gets a nod from the comms officer. "And so is everyone else."

"Good show. What's the protocol for requesting a pilot?"

"Usually, they contact us when we get a little closer. They're the ones who are more heavily occupied, after all. I assume that you want to make official contact with the government of Yuna?"

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Would be a good start for a diplomatic tour. Though getting started this far out makes it easier for your hosts to arrange for your stay to be harmless...

"Well… Let them know I'm here, anyway. It's not as if we're in a rush. What was it, four days if they've got a pilot already on station?"

"Pilots, my lord. One per ship."

Drusa frowns. "How do they make sure that no one overrides them?"

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Overriding the FTL interdiction? A sensible concern. Don't want someone hacking your nav-computer and making it decide a trip right through the sun is just fine.

"A combination of interdiction fields and the enmity of every other ship in the system." The captain makes a gesture of dismissal. "We're required to submit the general design of our control systems ahead of time, and they use a form of memory implant that allows the pilots to be trained extremely quickly. But they know perfectly well that if any one ship wanted to circumvent their controls, it could do so. For a few moments, at least."

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Shortly before being blown into very small pieces by the system's defenses, eh? I expect there's patrolling flotillas of light cruisers ready to jump on unauthorised traffic...

"Will there be a customs inspection?"

"They'll want to confirm that our stated cargo matches what's actually in our hold. There are very few good absolutely prohibited in Yuna, but there are certain things that can't be traded on the surface of the planet. There's little point bringing refined metals onto a planet if the buyer is going to need to drag it back out of the gravity well. And they aren't keen on weapons or highly destructive substances threatening their population centres."

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Definitely sensible. Unless your technology is so advanced that Gravity is a non-concern (and by that grade you wouldn't be trading for materials, you'd simply create them ex nihilo,) it's clearly easier to keep anything not intended for surface arrival well outside the planet's orbit. Presumably it's only passing through the system to allow for eyeball-mark-one checks that the shipments contain what they say they contain.

"Are slaves traded here?"

He looks slightly awkward for a moment.

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Well, that's a likely 'maybe...'

"Technically, no. Employment contracts can be traded, though for the most part that's for high status individuals who are well compensated. Most of the worlds in this region of space have little interest in purchasing unskilled labourers."

"And in reality?"

"There's probably some. It's not a major industry though; that I can tell you for certain."

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I expect it's limited to more exotic services... Things synthetic substitutes just aren't as enjoyable for.

Not as if it would really be appropriate for me to try doing anything about it anyway. Not until we've finished our war with the Reach. But it's nice to have a reminder that I'll always have something to do somewhere. What was the Warhammer 40,000 quote? 'For those who seek perfection there is no rest this side of the grave'? Something like that.

"Why are you smiling?"

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Indeed. Life being life, you'll always find someone being stupid somewhere in need of correction.

"I just had my fear of unemployment quashed." I can tell from the expression on Lantern Drusa's face that she doesn't understand. "My greatest desire is to affect positive change in the universe. If everything was perfect then I'd have nothing to do; I'd be in your position."

"What does your perfection look like?"

"I'm not exactly sure. I was exposed to a Black Mercy once, and that showed me-."

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We didn't see much of it, but it seemed very decadent.

The comms officer signals the captain again, who makes a gesture of agreement. A moment later the captain's screen lights up with the face of a gyuanite, the local dominant sophont. A non-standard humanoid race, they have deep blue skin and an elongated head and body. This one has.. some sort of mouth and eye guards, though I suppose they could be either purely functional or purely decorative.

"Captain. Welcome back to Yuna."

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Well, at least we have a name for the locals. Gyuanite, eh? Wonder how their voices sound...

"Thank you, system controller. I would like to make my approach as soon as possible."

"Quite understandable. I can dispatch a customs detail to you at once. Please have your full manifest up to date for their arrival."

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And no interdicted FTL for them, I bet. Unless they're stationed on a planetoid or space-station nearby the arrival vectors.

"Of course."

The system controller presses some buttons off screen.

"I'm afraid that there won't be enough pilots for your entire fleet for half a local day, but I can dispatch enough for your own ship and one escort immediately. Would that be acceptable?"

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The fact that it separates the fleet leader from the rest of his flotilla being an incidental bonus, I guess. After all, he's bound to have a lot of paperwork to fill out.

"Certainly."

"Then I will arrange it at once. Are there any other matters which you wish to bring to my attention?"

"One.. other matter. I'm transporting a diplomat from Maltus."

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And the traffic coordinator immediately realises his day is going to get a lot harder...

"Maltus?"

The captain motions to me, and I step into range of his console's camera.

"Pleased to meet you. I'm the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps, and I would like to meet with a representative of your government at their earliest convenience."

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Traffic controller: *Fuuuuuuck meeee...*

The system controller's skin turns mildly green.

"I will refer that upwards at once. Excuse me."

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Yeah, that was about the response I was expecting. At least he can pass the matter upstairs and hope he still has a job in the morning.

Back to the usual business, then. And OL makes his first personal contact with the Gyuanites. Given that his access will probably be expedited for diplomatic reasons, I assume his and Drusa's trip with the freighter will be ending soon. At least they kep busy on the way in. Wonder how Drusa took to Warhammer...

 

[Mr Zoat]

people's (because "people" is already plural)

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Thank you, corrected.

oh, oh, i want to be pedantic for a second!

as an American, Bruce would probably say "programs" rather than "schemes" in this context- while they are technically synonyms in the English language, in America 'scheme' tends to have a negative connotation to it!

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Thank you, corrected.

yay, i pretended to be smart on the internet today!

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We're all just pretending. You just have to learn to apply it to real life as well.

Let's say somebody else was writing a fanfic that got massively popular, and they had an interdimensional traveler show up that turned out to be Zoat, and then he raped that parallel's version of Zatanna who was still 14 years old. Would that be a problem? I'd think so, can't speak for Zoat if he'd have a problem with it but some fans would.

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I wrote a version of my SI who became a sociopathic mind-controller, and it's not like the main version is exactly nice. If someone wrote a story like that and I heard about it I'd probably read... At least the first bit, to see if it was any good. If it wasn't I'd just ignore it on the grounds that it really doesn't affect me.

If while reading it I saw people having a problem with it, I'd encourage them to see it in its true perspective:

'goods'

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[inck]

Would love to see some chapters from the point of view of some members of the orange lantern corps.
Like maybe those light priests or whatever they're called.
The ones who carried around Paul's book as if it's the bible.
Or maybe Sodam Yat. Or perhaps a new recruit being recruited or going through basic training on Maltus.

 

[Darko]

Now, her time would have been well spent. Even a few hours with OL can give a Lantern new insights.

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If you mean insights into how to be a better Lantern, then yes, but it can also give them insights into what a walking headache Paul is.

And doesn't that sound like it could be taken out of context. Oh, myyy...[/takei]

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Damn it Takei!

Definitely sensible. Unless your technology is so advanced that Gravity is a non-concern (and by that grade you wouldn't be trading for materials, you'd simply create them ex nihilo,

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Unless they can't manufacture things from nothing since they need some unique and rare energy source.

Indeed. Life being life, you'll always find someone being stupid somewhere in need of correction.

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Idiocy, a universal concept.

 

[Old Knife]

Hey Zoat. Did you at least let Whiteeyes know that you were going to use her SI. You're not required to but you know each other so politeness?

She's here on QQ.

https://forum.questionablequesting.com/members/whiteeyes.7724/

 

[Darko]

Hey Zoat. Did you at least let Whiteeyes know that you were going to use her SI. You're not required to but you know each other so politeness?

She's here on QQ.

https://forum.questionablequesting.com/members/whiteeyes.7724/

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Nope, he didn't.

There was actually a lot of arguing about that before this chapter.

 

[Old Knife]

I missed the discussion It seems

Ah well. No problem

 

[w34v3r]

Hmmmmm blue skin, turning green, ok so that's probably either a yellow fluid just beneath the skin, or some sort of chromatophore equivalent.

If the planet is covered by predominantly green vegetation it might be a sort automatic camouflage, probably chromatophore in that case.

Hopefully Paul manages to piss one off, I have theories that need testing.