With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

Doesn't that risk like, polluting the thaumusphere? Or do gods not have any effect on their domains if they change?

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It may not really do anything.

 

[Bud-E]

Doesn't that risk like, polluting the thaumusphere? Or do gods not have any effect on their domains if they change?

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He may become enlightened and that may alter how he interacts with his domain but other than that I don't see having a Lantern ring of any color affecting a gods domain.

 

[Ryumancer]

He may become enlightened and that may alter how he interacts with his domain but other than that I don't see having a Lantern ring of any color affecting a gods domain.

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Though on the other hand, something like a Red Ring may be rather distracting at best, for a god with a completely unrelated domain like Wealth.

 

[Coda]

It should be noted that this setting distinguishes between gods and titans: Titans are the ones with the primordial two-way connection with their domains. Gods draw power from their domains, but changes to the god don't change the nature of the domain, and changes to the nature of the domain have limited effect on the god.

This past storyline is fundamentally based on that idea. Hephaestus did not gain any benefit from the domain of smithing advancing to include technology. Nor did Hephaestus's independent study on technology have any impact on Earth's technological progression. And previously, when the off-planet post-Olympians were killed, their domains kept on ticking just fine without them.

 

[Darko]

And previously, when the off-planet post-Olympians were killed, their domains kept on ticking just fine without them.

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The New Titans weren't killed, just rendered comatose.

 

[Cuchulin]

Just a reminder that Hermes is also the god of thieves and the guy who takes souls to where they can catch a ride across the river styx.

 

[Ardy]

Just a reminder that Hermes is also the god of thieves and the guy who takes souls to where they can catch a ride across the river styx.

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dudes been slacking off when it comes to Paul then

 

[Cuchulin]

dudes been slacking off when it comes to Paul then

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As the god of boundaries he knows his own.

 

[Mr Zoat]

28th October 2012
17:46 GMT -5

"Recognized, Captain Marvel, One Five, Osiris, B One Nine."

I do one last scan of the machinery in Red Tornado's Granny Annexe.. loft, then dismiss my construct and fly down through the hole in the floor. William is still Captain Marvel shaped, but he looks a bit more upbeat.

"Captain, what news?"

"Oh, everyone had a ton of ideas! The Wizard can trigger my transformation himself if I go back to the Rock of Eternity, so I don't have to worry about school tomorrow."

I nod. Impractical for regular use, but an excellent backup.

"And then a Japanese god showed up and said he could take over from Zeus."

"Susano-o-no-Mikoto."

"You sent him? He just said that 'a certain person' did."

"That's how he talks."

"Huh. Weird. Oh, and after we left Osiris remembered that Angelica was the one who got the Wizard to power up Adom using Kahndaqi gods. She says that she could link me up with any god-. Ah, or god-like being who wanted to give me their power, including the Kahndaqi gods."

'Power' is Atum, so…

"Shaaam?"

William chuckles. "That would be kinda awkward to say. But it would work. And Zauriel said that he could talk to his king about sponsoring me, but he'd need permission because that's not something his order really covered."

"Does he have the power for something like that? No disrespect intended to Zauriel, but he's not drawing power from multiple titans, and while you're certainly a good person I'm not sure you're a saint."

He shrugs modestly. "I'm not either. But I am a Christian, so… Honestly? I'd feel more comfortable about getting power from Heaven than someplace else."

"I… Did say that I'd bury the hatchet with Zauriel, so if that's really what you want, go for it. But were there any other options?"

"Mister Miracle said that a Mother Box could handle my transformation. It wouldn't give me any extra power, but it could let me change." He takes a deep breath. "But he doesn't have a spare one, and the only person who can make me one is Himon, and he's on Apokolips."

I wince.

"Normally I like automation, but in this case I suggest one of the solutions that doesn't involve going to Apokolips."

"That's what I thought. So, what's with Susano-o-no-Mikoto?"

"His pantheon expands by convincing newly emergent gods to join it. He told me that he thinks you'd be good advertising."

"So it's like wearing a sponsor's name on my shirt? I don't know if the Wizard will like that."

"Jebediah convinced your existing sponsors to work together to empower you. One of them was a serial rapist, and another once tried to cut a baby in half to solve an argument."

"Um. Better I have Herakles's strength than he does, right?"

"Is that how it-" William clamps his right hand over his mouth. "-works?"

"Can.. you.. pretend I didn't say that?"

"Say what? Also, on an unrelated matter, Herakles is an evil man who at the very least deserves whatever's happened to him, though I have no idea what that is."

"Okay. Thanks." He nods, then takes a step back. "I'm gunna go check in with Batman, then I need to get back to the Wizard to get transformed for school tomorrow. "

"Are you just going to do that every time?"

"No, but this is something I need to think about real hard, and I should probably talk to people. Including Mary and Freddie."

I nod. "Very wise. I'll see you when I see you."

He turns to Amon. "Thanks for your help, Osiris. And thanks for keeping cool around the Wizard. I know how angry he makes you."

"Captain, you are my friend and the friend of my brother. I will bite my tongue around the Wizard a hundred times if you need me to."

William smiles. "But a hundred and one is one too many?"

"Oh, no. If you need me a hundred and one times then it is taking me away from my studies more than my sister and brother will allow. I am sure that Adom would take my place, though."

William's smile fades. "Yeah, let's… Let's make sure that doesn't happen."

Amon nods. "I am glad that we both value education so highly."

"That too." He rises of the ground and flies back towards the zeta tube. "Be seeing you!"

"Recognized, Captain Marvel, One Five."

"I would like to add my congratulations to those of Captain Marvel."

"I can hold my tongue when I must."

"That's not what The Key says."

For an instant he looks shocked, then he makes an amused exhalation and shakes his head. "Do not make jokes like that around my sister. She would not respond well."

"Speaking of your sister, do you think she'd be willing to take a trip to Brazil? Gaea suggested that I make time to speak with Euanthe, and-."

"You do not disobey the Goddess of the Earth."

"Not if you've got any sense, and I have at least that much."

"That is not what Wonder Woman says."

"Ou-ch. Blooming leave her in Tartarus next time."

"No. You wouldn't."

"No, I wouldn't. Ah, I don't suppose that the Kahndaqi pantheon has any spare war-related gods, does it?"

"Ah, there is Sekhmet? But I do not think that she is 'spare'?"

"Gods can be worshipped by more than one pantheon."

He frowns interrogatively. "Why are you asking?"

"Hephaestaean and I are having trouble filling up his cabinet. We need a war god, and none of the related Greek gods are interested."

"What happened to Ares?"

"Hammer to the crotch."

"Are there no other Greek gods who could-?"

"Kratos is running a gym, Hippolyta is too peaceful, Enyo likes being a punk musician and told me to fuck myself with a cricket bat, Nike doesn't want to be tied to war that strongly, Athena doesn't want that part of the war portfolio and Eris hasn't sobered up enough to ask."

"I will ask her on your behalf, but I do not know. Is there no one else you could ask?"

 

[egooo]

Is there no one else you could ask

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Considering Paul's track record, for a moment I though "is he going to pile that onto the poor Constantine as well?".
Disregard that he ain't fiting that role in any shape or form.
Paul just seems to like to make Constantine suffer like that.

 

[Handlewithcare]

Puh, who is left?

The nordic pantheon? Or would that be to Marvel?

One of the demigods?

And it's funny if the various gods are fighting over Captain Marvel like you would limited space on a billboard

 

[hance1986]

"That would be kinda awkward to say. But it would work. And Zauriel said that he could talk to his king about sponsoring me, but he'd need permission because that's not something his ordered really covered."

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order

 

[Brainwasher-Boy]

"I will ask her on your behalf, but I do not know. Is there no one else you could ask?"

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.....Would Paul be able to take up the role of a War God himself? There are a few Greek myths that have mortal humans become gods (though, if memory serves, more get turned into constellations for some reason).

The boost would not only empower Paul (probably), but might even help with the Reach war he's waging.

 

[Cherico]

Id like to note Zeus has a bastard daughter running around.....not doing anything.

 

[Flightless Man]

What about Barda? isn't she a god with no pantheon?

 

[Darko]

Shaaam?"

William chuckles. "That would be kinda awkward to say

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Yeah, it sounds too much like "sham".

something his ordered really covered."

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"orders"

Does he have the power for something like that? No disrespect intended to Zauriel, but he's not drawing power from multiple titans, and while you're certainly a good person I'm not sure you're a saint."

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Even if he can't empower him, he may still try to get in touch with someone who can, like his King.

And Billy might qualify for sainthood given that he's pure of hearts.

Mister Miracle said that a Mother Box could handle my transformation. It wouldn't give me any extra power, but it could let me change." He takes a deep breath. "But he doesn't have a spare one, and the only person who can make me one in Himon, and he's on Apokolips."

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They can go to New Genesis to get another one.

Jebediah convinced your existing sponsors to work together to empower you. One of them was a serial rapist, and another once tried to cut a baby in half to solve an argument."

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Technically two of them were serial rapists.

Granted you said existing and Zeus is no longer doing anything.

Say what? Also, on an unrelated matter, Herakles is an evil man who at the very least deserves whatever's happened to him, though I have no idea what that is."

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He may have honestly ascended to full godhood.

. I am sure that Adom would take my place, though."

William's smile fades. "Yeah, let's… Let's make sure that doesn't happen."

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That way will lead to carnage.

I can hold my tongue when I must."

"That's not what The Key says

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To be fair, the Key hut him on a much more personal level than the Wizard did.

Do not make jokes like that around my sister. She would not respond well."

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Nope, she would not.

You do not disobey the Goddess of the Earth."

"Not if you've got any sense, and I have at least that much

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Even a broken clock and all that.

That is not what Wonder Woman says."

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Hah!

 

[Darko]

Puh, who is left?

The nordic pantheon

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Hmm, possible.

In Sandman, Odin tried to get Hell so that he and his pantheon could move there while Ragnarok destroys Asgard, so maybe he can be convinced to move to Olympus.

Though it may depend on how willing he is of becoming subordinate to someone else.

Id like to note Zeus has a bastard daughter running around.....not doing anything.

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If you're talking about Cassandra then that wouldn't really work since she's still a kid.

What about Barda? isn't she a god with no pantheon?

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She may not want the job and it's also possible that her different divine nature would make joining the Olympians difficult or even impossible.

 

[iamnuff]

What did Billy do to hercules?

 

[Khettien]

Surprised Paul didn't track down Mars and ask him.

Edit: Put poetically, if Ares was the god of warriors, Mars was the god of soldiers.

 

[Lothlo]

I would go for Tyr. God of war, Justice (and single combat?) I know that at least him would be a better choice than a warmonger Ares. Also: Hephaestean may be able to create a fancy mechanical arm for him as a incentive.

 

[Mr Zoat]

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Thank you, corrected.

Id like to note Zeus has a bastard daughter running around.....not doing anything.

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She's going to Middle School. No War Godding for you, young lady!

 

[Darko]

What did Billy do to hercules?

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Nothing.

I would go for Tyr. God of war, Justice (and single combat?) I know that at least him would be a better choice than a warmonger Ares. Also: Hephaestean may be able to create a fancy mechanical arm for him as a incentive.

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Given the fact that Zoat left a like on your post, I'm expecting we'll be seeing Tyr soon.

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

28th October 2012
17:46 GMT -5

"Recognized, Captain Marvel, One Five, Osiris, B One Nine."

I do one last scan of the machinery in Red Tornado's Granny Annexe.. loft, then dismiss my construct and fly down through the hole in the floor. William is still Captain Marvel shaped, but he looks a bit more upbeat.

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So, things went.. okay with the Wizard, then. No doubt old Jeb is scrambling to find a suitable replacement, though Susano-o-no-mikoto's assistance will probably be given due consideration.

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"Captain, what news?"

"Oh, everyone had a ton of ideas! The Wizard can trigger my transformation himself if I go back to the Rock of Eternity, so I don't have to worry about school tomorrow."

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...And next time you need to transform? What then?

I nod. Impractical for regular use, but an excellent backup.

"And then a Japanese god showed up and said he could take over from Zeus."

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We can but hope Jeb takes the offer. Probably the best he'll get, even if it's a bit further afield than his original mix.

"Susano-o-no-Mikoto."

"You sent him? He just said that 'a certain person' did."

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Ah, those stately manners again.

"That's how he talks."

"Huh. Weird. Oh, and after we left Osiris remembered that Angelica was the one who got the Wizard to power up Adom using Khandaqi gods. She says that she could link me up with any god-. Ah, or god-like being who wanted to give me their power, including the Khandaqi gods."

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Good to see they've been busy investigating other arrangements.

'Power' is Atum, so…

"Shaaam?"

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...Doesn't really have the right ring to it... It sounds like you hiccuped in the middle.

William chuckles. "That would be kinda awkward to say. But it would work. And Zauriel said that he could talk to his king about sponsoring me, but he'd need permission because that's not something his ordered really covered."

"Does he have the power for something like that? No disrespect intended to Zauriel, but he's not drawing power from multiple titans, and while you're certainly a good person I'm not sure you're a saint."

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Maybe he'd get a little promotion to accommodate the necessary power?

He shrugs modestly. "I'm not either. But I am a Christian, so… Honestly? I'd feel more comfortable about getting power from Heaven than someplace else."

"I… Did say that I'd bury the hatchet with Zauriel, so if that's really what you want, go for it. But were there any other options?"

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Because the Silver City's aid probably comes with strings attached.

"Mister Miracle said that a Mother Box could handle my transformation. It wouldn't give me any extra power, but it could let me change." He takes a deep breath. "But he doesn't have a spare one, and the only person who can make me one in Himon, and he's on Apokolips."

I wince.

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Yeah, not something you want to go poking your nose into, unless you want it getting cut off. The Forever people were one thing. Himon is significantly more valuable.

"Normally I like automation, but in this case I suggest one of the solutions that doesn't involve going to Apokolips."

"That's what I thought. So, what's with Susano-o-no-Mikoto?"

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Quite the exciting fellow, once you get past the ingrained politeness.

"His pantheon expands by convincing newly emergent gods to join it. He told me that he thinks you'd be good advertising."

"So it's like wearing a sponsor's name on my shirt? I don't know if the Wizard will like that."

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It'd only really be visible to magic-types, though? Unless there was a costume change included.

"Jebediah convinced your existing sponsors to work together to empower you. One of them was a serial rapist, and another once tried to cut a baby in half to solve an argument."

"Um. Better I have Herakles's strength than he does, right?"

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I doubt he's contributing the whole of his might, honestly.

"Is that how it-" William clamps his right hand over his mouth. "-works?"

"Can.. you.. pretend I didn't say that?"

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To be fair, it doesn't really tell OL anything.

"Say what? Also, on an unrelated matter, Herakles is an evil man who at the very least deserves whatever's happened to him, though I have no idea what that is."

"Okay. Thanks." He nods, then takes a step back. "I'm gunna go check in with Batman, then I need to get back to the Wizard to get transformed for school tomorrow. "

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Let him know you and the juniors might be unavailable for a few days or weeks, depending on how quickly Jeb can negotiate?

"Are you just going to do that every time?"

"No, but this is something I need to think about real hard, and I should probably talk to people. Including Mary and Freddie."

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Given they'll be affected just as much as you are, probably a good idea.

I nod. "Very wise. I'll see you when I see you."

He turns to Amon. "Thanks for your help, Osiris. And thanks for keeping cool around the Wizard. I know how angry he makes you."

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I'm guessing he was unfailingly polite. But if looks could kill...

"Captain, you are my friend and the friend of my brother. I will bite my tongue around the Wizard a hundred times if you need me to."

William smiles. "But a hundred and one is one too many?"

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In other words, don't push your luck too hard.

"Oh, no. If you need me a hundred and one times then it is taking me away from my studies more than my sister and brother will allow. I am sure that Adom would take my place, though."

William's smile fades. "Yeah, let's… Let's make sure that doesn't happen."

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...I'm not sure the Rock of Eternity would survive that little shouting match.

Amon nods. "I am glad that we both value education so highly."

"That too." He rises of the ground and flies back towards the zeta tube. "Be seeing you!"

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Let's hope it gets sorted out soon. I doubt Billy will have the luxury of running off to the Rock every time someone starts shit in Fawcett City.

"Recognized, Captain Marvel, One Five."

"I would like to add my congratulations to those of Captain Marvel."

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Seriously. I bet Jeb had a prickling feeling at the back of his neck the whole time.

"I can hold my tongue when I must."

"That's not what The Key says."

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...ooof. Too soon, OL. Also so, so wrong.

For an instant he looks shocked, then he makes an amused exhalation and shakes his head. "Do not make jokes like that around my sister. She would not respond well."

"Speaking of your sister, do you think she'd be willing to take a trip to Brazil? Gaea suggested that I make time to speak with Euanthe, and-."

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I suspect the integrity of his armour's cup would be sorely tested, for a start.

"You do not disobey the Goddess of the Earth."

"Not if you've got any sense, and I have at least that much."

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Which would shock some of the league, I bet.

"That is not what Wonder Woman says."

"Ou-ch. Blooming leave her in Tartarus next time."

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As if. We all know how much OL hates other people playing with his stuff.

"No. You wouldn't."

"No, I wouldn't. Ah, I don't suppose that the Kahndaqi pantheon has any spare war-related gods, does it?"

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Anhur or Montu, perhaps. I doubt either get much attention these days, and the former already moved from Nubia. What's one more relocation for work?

"Ah, there is Sekhmet? But I do not think that she is 'spare'?"

"Gods can be worshipped by more than one pantheon."

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Though it might get confusing if their worshippers went to war.

He frowns interrogatively. "Why are you asking?"

"Hephaestaean and I are having trouble filling up his cabinet. We need a war god, and none of the related Greek gods are interested."

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Even if the position is only needed because of tradition...

"What happened to Ares?"

"Hammer to the crotch."

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Surprised Amon let that go without comment.

"Are there no other Greek gods who could-?"

"Kratos is running a gym, Hippolyta is too peaceful, Enyo likes being a punk musician and told me to fuck myself with a cricket bat, Nike doesn't want to be tied to war that strongly, Athena doesn't want that part of the war portfolio and Eris hasn't sobered up enough to ask."

"I will ask her on your behalf, but I do not know. Is there no one else you could ask?"

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And if she's not interested, she could maybe point him in the direction of one of her juniors. Also, Eris went and got drunk in celebration at the sheer chaos OL caused? Of course she did.

Out of the most well-know pantheons left, there's the Roman, which Hephaestaean might reject because of double-dipping, or maybe the Norse. And certain signs point to at least one god considering a transfer, perhaps? I'm sure we'll see soon enough. Perhaps Odin might be willing to arrange a mutual defence pact or something as payment for the services of an Aesir?

 

[AmericanNumbers]

What about Barda? isn't she a god with no pantheon?

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Barda is actually a solid idea. It fits in her portfolio well and would actually be a great fir for her personality.

 

[B00ki5h]

Id like to note Zeus has a bastard daughter running around.....not doing anything.

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Similar idea what about Kronos's daughter Devastation?

 

[Pinklestia]

Paul just seems to like to make Constantine suffer like that.

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Constantine does that to himself and either you make Constantine life harder or you get killed or worse.

 

[Darko]

Because the Silver City's aid probably comes with strings attached.

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Not necessarily.

Billy is upholding justice and order, which the Angels may like, and they don't really need him to spread their faith since it's practically everywhere.

Quite the exciting fellow, once you get past the ingrained politeness.

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Just don't try to take something from him or hurt his family.

I doubt he's contributing the whole of his might, honestly

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He may even just be letting his powers be copied.

To be fair, it doesn't really tell OL anything

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It dies tell him that if he potentially wants to remove another problematic figure from the Olympian pantheon then the best thing to do is wait until Billy is transformed and then attack a weakened Herakles.

ooof. Too soon, OL. Also so, so wrong

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He really is terrible at these sorts of things.

Which would shock some of the league, I bet.

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Some?

Try all of them.

Though it might get confusing if their worshippers went to war.

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Not really.

People go to war over the same god.

Out of the most well-know pantheons left, there's the Roman, which Hephaestaean might reject because of double-dipping, or maybe the Norse. And certain signs point to at least one god considering a transfer, perhaps? I'm sure we'll see soon enough. Perhaps Odin might be willing to arrange a mutual defence pact or something as payment for the services of an Aesir

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I suggested something similar in a post above and Zoat left a like in a post that suggested Tyr, so we may be seeing the Norse pantheon soon.

 

[Darko]

Similar idea what about Kronos's daughter Devastation?

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I think she's also relatively young and if she's loyal to Cronus then Heph may not want her.

 

[Vaermina]

"Does he have the power for something like that? No disrespect intended to Zauriel, but he's not drawing power from multiple titans, and while you're certainly a good person I'm not sure you're a saint."

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And LePaul already forgets that the Silver City effortlessly spanked him...

"Say what? Also, on an unrelated matter, Herakles is an evil man who at the very least deserves whatever's happened to him, though I have no idea what that is."

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And Hera was much much worse yet you forgave her in seconds.

 

[NightmareWarden]

I also think that Barda would be a neat choice for war god. Even as a part-time thing.

Does everyone remember how Kon asked his Titan/God for heat vision? And how his heat vision is a few steps removed from Superman's? I think we should keep that in mind before we recommend someone for Billy. If Yahweh replaces a lightning god, will Billy gain holy lightning, or will he gain a different kind of transformation? Will the values of Jesus influence his behavior? Remember how Adom can speak to his gods mentally and consider who might hop into Billy's head through this opportunity.