With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

rkyeun · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
"Was that a negro?"

"Yes he was, krylatto. But it's rather offensive to use those kinds of terms. And if you can control your outbursts like a civilized person, so he doesn't find out you're a filthy Nazi, he might treat you as his equal."

Massgamer · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
And I appear in Sivana's laboratory while Overgirl appears in a containment chamber, energy saws poised to dissect her!

To be fair, usually having weapons pointed at Nazis is a good thing.

jmartinez8089 · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
"In a meritocratic society, if you can do the job then you can get the job. On this Earth, restricted someone on the grounds of their ethnic background is considered inappropriate."

restricting

DAT_NOOB · Dec 27, 2019

Citizen said:
Is this going to be a thing with him?

*Them his children do it to OL aswell

Mr Zoat · Dec 27, 2019

jmartinez8089 said:
restricting

Thank you, corrected.

jonasquinn · Dec 27, 2019

I like how Overgirl is slowly realising how different this universe is, Overman might have told her that their Earth is the only one where the Nazis won but it probably didn't click for her what that meant

She probably thought that it was like any other war, people would be mad about it at the time but give it a few generations and everyone will have forgotten, but now she's realising that the Allies winning had huge effects and her ideology is seen as being cartoonishly evil and that OL could probably do whatever he wants to her and most people would forgive it because she's a Nazi

w34v3r · Dec 27, 2019

Phrexia Unbound said:
Sivana really needs to sort out this issue with his teleporters.

I dunno, given the information he had, that sounds like a feature, not a bug.

Goodness knows you can't let someone who's been that brainwashed near delicate machinery.

rkyeun said:
"Yes he was, krylatto. But it's rather offensive to use those kinds of terms. And if you can control your outbursts like a civilized person, so he doesn't find out you're a filthy Nazi, he might treat you as his equal."

Hell I want to know how they squared the whole alien thing, with the Nazi circle.

TheEyes · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
"Fascism is as unpopular here as.. I imagine Jews are where you're from."

*sigh* Oh if only.

Phrexia Unbound said:
Sivana really needs to sort out this issue with his teleporters.

Issue?

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

Does Sivana want to dissect, or more accuretly vivisect her seeing as she is still alive, her because of her unique genetic makeup?
Would he try to do the same thing to Overman in order to discover how earth 10 Kryptonians are diffrent?

Stsword · Dec 27, 2019

If he does go to Earth-10 it would be a good idea to make sure the POTUS isn't trying to summon a golem to wipe humanity off the face of the Earth.

Swamp Thing visited a Nazi Earth (he also visited Earth Prime, Earth Prime's Dr Holland's son reads Swamp Thing by the by) and interrupted the ritual.

Swampy convinced the POTUS that wiping out humanity was the wrong play, that it was better to try to make the future better.

Then Swampy leaves, which let the Golem show up.

Rock falls everyone dies.

So apparently Golems in Vertigo can be worldkillers.

A rather far cry from Paul the Golem or Monolith's power levels.

Chojin Patriarch · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
"Green Lantern John Stewart does indeed have dark brown skin."

"I… See."

"I assumed that you'd realised that whatever purges the Nazis-"

"National Socialists."

She's going to keep correcting people on that, isn't she? She'll have to get used to it sooner or later here...

"-conducted on your Earth, they didn't happen here."

"No, the negros were not purged. They were expelled from Europe-. I have not… Interacted with one before." She looks a little unsettled. "They are allowed to occupy positions of authority here?"

Oh, honey, you have no idea...

"In a meritocratic society, if you can do the job then you can get the job. On this Earth, restricted someone on the grounds of their ethnic background is considered inappropriate."

"They're just-. Allowed-." She shudders, swallowing, then nods. "I understand."

Yeah, this is not going to be easy for her. It'll be like all of her worst nightmares, in a political sense, come true.

I'm morbidly curious about how the Nazis put their racial policies into affect, but… Given that whatever I hear there's next to no chance that I'll head over to her Earth to remonstrate with the locals, I… There isn't much point in me enquiring.

"The Justice League has several black members. Their foremost magic user is a multi-millennial African named Nomo Balewa, and if those portals are magical in nature he's your best hope of going home." She nods slowly in acknowledgement. "We don't segregate. There's-."

Man, things are going to get difficult with her, aren't they? I hope Doctor Mist has some sort of interdimensional travel spell, if only by reverse-engineering the Earth -14 Zatara's techniques...l

"Why not?" She frowns. "The British Empire segregated before the war. America had anti-miscegenation laws before the war…" She stills as she works it out. "The war."

Yes, you see it now, don't you?

"There's nothing quite like liberating a death camp full of starving people to make a person reconsider their racial attitudes. And if you're a black man who's spent years fighting and killing in the service of your country and then they try to make you sit at the back of the bus or tell you to your marriage to the woman you met on campaign isn't valid…"

I shrug.

"It was quite the thing back in the sixties. I should dig up a textbook or two for you."

"Fascism is as unpopular here as.. I imagine Jews are where you're from."

Her mouth opens slightly, then closes again.

"I'm.. not Italian."

Ha, Just like Mr Zoat said she would...

Huh-?

I shake my head.

I like that it took him a moment to understand..

"Fascism has become generic term for your particular brand of violent entho-nationalism. There's basically nowhere on this Earth you can go where you can guarantee not to encounter black people. I'll ask again: can I trust you to keep yourself under control?"

"I would rather not-." … "Yes."

Basically, if she wants out of this lab, she's got to exercise some self-control...

"Glad to hear it. Ring, please add Overgirl to the network."

"Overgirl added as A Six One."

No restricted access mode? No 'access only with another registered user's permission' setting? Boy, their security needs a little work.

"This way please."

I lift myself off the floor and fly out of the medical ward. She follows-. She can fly. Interesting. Have to talk to Jor-El about what combination of human and kryptonian enables that ability, along with the heat vision.

!Empower Kon!

"Do you have teleporters?"

"No, zeta tubes. The infrastructure requirements-" She's looking around very carefully, though these walls can switch between kryptonian-transparent and kryptonian-opaque and I know that Jor-El's set it to the latter. "-for the first few were less, and it was easier to keep building them than it was to get approval for the satellite network a teleportation system would require. I'm gradually persuading them to switch to a magic-based system. What do your people use?"

Really, OL, do you have to tell her so much? I mean, the Zeta Tube's inventor probably got purged, but still, they might be advanced enough to work it out...

"Assault transport ships."

Hm. Well, if they've had kryptonian technology for sixty years… And cleared the air between their launch point and their destination, an atmospheric craft… It would be slower than a zeta tube in places that actually have tubes, but otherwise could give them a faster response time. I'd rather dismissed the idea because.. teleporters are just better, but perhaps I was wrong not to at least present a few prototypes to the League?

So, Assault Transport are basically giant, troop-carrying bullets?

And I'm amazed he hasn't though of encouraging the development of something like the DCAU's Javelins.

I land just in front of the tube.

"Just through here."

I step-

"Recognized, Orange Lantern, B Zero Six."

And what guarantee would you have she'd follow you, OL, beside her curiosity?

14th March
20:42 GMT +1

-though to the outskirts of Budapest and take a moment to check our surroundings. Pretty sure that Batman has recording devices on these things…

Time for a private chat with his on-call super-scientists.

"Ring, sound baffle. And call the Sivanas."

"Compliance."

"Recognized, Overgirl, A Six One."

Ah, I was half-expecting her to try to stay in the fortress. I suppose Jor-El could engage the internal security systems...

Overgirl strides out of the tube-. No, marches out, and it's a mercy that she's not goose-stepping. At least she's not checking her body parts like I did. She stops and looks around for a moment as I rise into the air, then follows me as I ascend.

"Ah. Budapest."

"I hesitate to ask..?"

Well, it's either 'shelled into oblivion' or...

"On my Earth this is all part of Germania. The older parts of the city are much the same. The Fuhrer was a great admirer of the civic architecture."

... 'captured peacefully without much damage.' Blitzkrieg for the win?

"The Fatherland must be bigger. I take it that Germania is the part of the world that the Reich directly administers?"

"Yes." She smiles. "It covers most of central and Eastern Europe, including what was once the eastern part of Russia. The Fatherland has never been bigger!"

"And the former inhabitants have no further use for their territory?"

Those that survived...

"Those who were genetically pure had their property restored once the war in Europe was over."

A million or so people living in Budapest at the start of the war. 'Genetically pure' meaning no more than one great grandparent who was a gypsy, Jew or Slav. Which.. means…

No, I don't-. I've got idea what genetic markers they were looking for, or whether or not the crazy Nazi eugenicists considered Hungarians to be Slavs or not.

Honestly, Who knows? The Nazi Leadership seemed a bit scattered at times...

"Orange Lantern!" Ah. Papa Sivana. "Delighted to hear from you, my boy! Found something interesting for me?"

Overgirl is looking down, using her enhanced vision to examine the city and its people.

"A Nazi superhero from a parallel universe."

"...And there's a phrase I never expected to ever say anytime soon."

"Earth Ten? Yes, I met my alter-ego from there once. He's a businessman. National Socialism was not good for the scientific community. And neither was cribbing all of their technology from alien databases."

Heh, I'm guessing a lot of human science development has been sidetracked or flat-out abandoned?

"We have a visitor from there. A portal opened in near-Earth space. Could you teleport us to you so we can discuss it?"

"Certainly."

Space… Cubes-.

Ah. Is it anything like being drunk? And before you ask why that would be bad, consider it from the drink's point of view.

Notvomitingnotvomiting-.

And I appear in Sivana's laboratory while Overgirl appears in a containment chamber, energy saws poised to dissect her!

I take it that's a feature, not a bug. Unfortunately, they do need her alive...

Hmm, I rather think Overman would like his junior partner alive and in one piece. Some fast talking ahead, I suspect. Or some snarky back-and-forth... Eh, why not both!

Correction:

...become generic... ...violent entho-nationalism.

...become the generic... ...violent ethno-nationalism.
(I assume that's that you meant by the second part?)

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

Who would win between Teth Adom and Overman?
Both are high tier flying bricks with decades of experience in fighting and using their respective powers?
Teth has an advantage in that he has magic, something that kryptonians are vulnerable to?
That reminds me do Teth and Billy have the ability to shoot lightning like they do in the comics, or not, or have they simply not discovered it yet and if they haven't then will they do so in your story?
Why didn't OL Danner Adriana like he did Teth and Amon?
Is Adrianna in her Isis form all the time like Teth in his form?

ForeverShogo · Dec 27, 2019

Huh. Interesting that they gobbled up Hungary.

I know that historically the Nazis wanted . . . It'd probably be faster to show it on a map then it would be to list the countries the historical Nazis wanted to annex.

That's more or less accurate. Though I'm only just now realizing that I forgot to give Alaska to Japan in that HoI4 game.

So, out of curiosity . . . What else did the Earth 10 Nazis directly annex?

Also, strictly speaking, I'm pretty sure it should be the Greater Germanic Reich instead of Germania.

Germania is what they planned to call Berlin after the urban renewal project they planned to launch following a victory in WW2.

Mr Zoat · Dec 27, 2019

Chojin Patriarch said:
Correction:
...become the generic... ...violent ethno-nationalism.
(I assume that's that you meant by the second part?)

Thank you, corrected.

Darko said:
Who would win between Teth Adom and Overman?

In a rap battle?

Both are high tier flying bricks with decades of experience in fighting and using their respective powers?

True, but few of their opponents fought with poetry. While rap in its modern form was never invented on Earth 10, Karl is probably aware of flyting and so wouldn't be caught completely off guard. Adom has made a study of both poetry (in his first life) and modern music (in his second), though not in any depth for the latter.

Really, I don't think it would be a good match.

Teth has an advantage in that he has magic, something that kryptonians are vulnerable to?

Karl's lack of a magic education would indeed leave him unprepared for Adom's sick Zehuti-inspired rhymes, though it could be argued that was coaching.

That reminds me do Teth and Billy have the ability to shoot lightning like they do in the comics, or not, or have they simply not discovered it yet and if they haven't then will they do so in your story?

Yes, though shooting your opponent with lightning during a rap is generally considered cheating.

Why didn't OL Danner Adriana like he did Teth and Amon?

She hasn't asked, and generally tries to avoid combat.

Is Adrianna in her Isis form all the time like Teth in his form?

Yes.

Mr Zoat · Dec 27, 2019

ForeverShogo said:
Huh. Interesting that they gobbled up Hungary.

I know that historically the Nazis wanted . . . It'd probably be faster to show it on a map then it would be to list the countries the historical Nazis wanted to annex.

That's more or less accurate. Though I'm only just now realizing that I forgot to give Alaska to Japan in that HoI4 game.

Could you please blow up Europe a bit more?

So, out of curiosity . . . What else did the Earth 10 Nazis directly annex?

I haven't thought about it in much detail.

Also, strictly speaking, I'm pretty sure it should be the Greater Germanic Reich instead of Germania.

Germania is what they planned to call Berlin after the urban renewal project they planned to launch following a victory in WW2.

I dunno, I guess Morell got hit by a train or something.

Fallen Gods Rise · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
"Yes." She smiles. "It covers most of central and Eastern Europe, including what was once the eastern part of Russia. The Fatherland has never been bigger!"

Pretty sure that should be Western Russia

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

I meant in a traditional battle with fists and brawling and what not, not rap or music.
And when you said that they can shoot lightning does that mean that they will figure out how to do it in the story?
If they have already done that, not counting Billy using the sword of Beowulf, can you tell us when?

Mr Zoat · Dec 27, 2019

Fallen Gods Rise said:
Pretty sure that should be Western Russia

Thank you, corrected.

Darko said:
I meant in a traditional battle with fists and brawling and what not, not rap or music.

They have roughly the same power and experience as each other. But Karl's guilt leaves him demotivated, so Teth probably takes it unless Overgirl is at risk.

And when you said that they can shoot lightning does that mean that they will figure out how to do it in the story?

They can do the traditional thing, which is call the lightning and then dodge it.

If they have already done that, not counting Billy using the sword of Beowulf, can you tell us when?

Billy did it during the fight with Mr Atom. Because I forgot about the sword.

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

So they can't just shoot lightning from their hands, but just call the magic name and then move out of the way?

Hey can you tell us what those demons, that gave Sabbac his powers, what exactly did each demon give him, like who gave him power and who wisdom and who speed and who gave him everything else?
Do the evil spirits inhabiting Ibac give him each something specific like strength, speed etc. and if so then who gives him who?
And who gave Ibac his powers in the first place?

moralrelativity · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
I've got idea what

got no idea

Mr Zoat said:
And I appear in Sivana's laboratory while Overgirl appears in a containment chamber, energy saws poised to dissect her!

Hahahahaha, Paul should really have seen that coming.

Gantradies · Dec 27, 2019

.. have to admit, OL's being a...lot more.....
...... i..dont know if "nice" is the right word regarding a literal nazi- for anyone of a lower power level, id say suicidally trusting/naive,
but if i was in his shoes, she'd have been shockcrowned, branded, and interrogated within a minute of confirming her point of origin under the latter compulsion about the actions she's carried out since being empowered under the quite reasonable assumption that there's a better than even chance she's kicked/gassed/chocked at least ONE puppy to death with her bare hands"off page/offscreen", just to be safe >.<

Maelgwyn · Dec 27, 2019

Darko said:
So they can't just shoot lightning from their hands, but just call the magic name and then move out of the way?

Hey can you tell us what those demons, that gave Sabbac his powers, what exactly did each demon give him, like who gave him power and who wisdom and who speed and who gave him everything else?
Do the evil spirits inhabiting Ibac give him each something specific like strength, speed etc. and if so then who gives him who?
And who gave Ibac his powers in the first place?

Well Ibac got his powers from Ivan Grozny, who gives terror, Cesare Borgia, who gives cunning, Atilla the Hun, who gives him ferocity, and Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (Caligula) who gives cruelty.

Sabbac gets strength from Satan (or Saturnus here), invincibility from Aym, "evil wisdom" from Belial, flame powers from Beelzebub, "evil courage" from Asmodeus, and flight from Crateis.

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

Thank you Rhomanion1.
As to the Ibac question i was wondering who gave him his powers in the first place, not the spirits.
And if Cesare gives him cunning then he is either a very stupid man or is slacking off, because from the brief appereance of Ibac we got, cunning is not a thing you would associate with him.

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

When OL had that conversation with Fire about increasing her powers he said that it was the magic of Noriel.

I was wondering if Fire will now have her comic book powers, being able to fly and transform into being covered in green fire, as well as being able to shoot large balls of fire from her body?
Will her powers now be like Loriels fire magic, but just colored green?

Maelgwyn · Dec 27, 2019

Darko said:
Thank you Rhomanion1.
As to the Ibac question i was wondering who gave him his powers in the first place, not the spirits.
And if Cesare gives him cunning then he is either a very stupid man or is slacking off, because from the brief appereance of Ibac we got, cunning is not a thing you would associate with him.

Well according to the wiki Lucifer gave him his powers, but I'm not sure if that's retconned or not, since the guy's currently running a night club in Los Angeles and doesn't seem like he'd be creating supervillains for kicks.

EDIT: and regarding Stinky Printwhistle's intelligence, he got his powers after he accidentally blew himself up blowing up a bridge, so you might have the right of it.

bobsimmo · Dec 27, 2019

Mr Zoat said:
Could you please blow up Europe a bit more?

explode? or enlarge?

because for HOI4 both answers are appropiate.

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

Technically Satanus may have given Sabbac his powers originally, seeing as the Wizard is his father and he may know the spell to give a mortal magic powers.
Lucifer was originally more akin to how he is portrayed in fiction, pure evil with red skin and horns, before Gaiman got his hands on him and made him into a charismatic pretty boy with daddy issues a mile long, though if Ibac showed up before the vertigo Lucifer then could see him giving someone powers to fight a champion of good.

Maelgwyn · Dec 27, 2019

Darko said:
Technically Satanus may have given Sabbac his powers originally, seeing as the Wizard is his father and he may know the spell to give a mortal magic powers.
Lucifer was originally more akin to how he is portrayed in fiction, pure evil with red skin and horns, before Gaiman got his hands on him and made him into a charismatic pretty boy with daddy issues a mile long, though if Ibac showed up before the vertigo Lucifer then could see him giving someone powers to fight a champion of good.

We have a whole arc when Fawcett City got invaded showing that Sabbac got those powers from those six demons including Satanus though.

Actually wondering what the explanation in-story would be for Ibac's powers. We know that Vertigo is canon to this story since Constantine and Desire have shown up and we have heard that Lucifer retired decades ago, but the entity that gave Ibac his powers explicitly identified himself as Lucifer rather than Satan at least according to the wiki, so that would imply that Ibac was Lucifer playing around at being a stereotypical devil for kicks while he wasn't dodging Amenadiel and playing the piano, some other demon (perhaps Satanus) was impersonating Lucifer, or that whole situation was retconned in-story and there's a different explanation in-story for how Ibac got his powers.

hance1986 · Dec 27, 2019

Phrexia Unbound said:
Sivana really needs to sort out this issue with his teleporters.

If it can hold Captain Marvel it can hold her.

Darko · Dec 27, 2019

Demos have pretended to be the devil when summoned, the SI told that during the Fawcett City arc.
Maybe Satanus gave Ibac his powers.

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