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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Hmm. Looking over the past couple pages, I guess there are people who can't help but write fanfic that says, "Oh, no, honey. Don't worry. The bad guy was going to lose anyways."

Even though I thought the glimpse of the Sombra timeline made it pretty clear his victory was inevitable. Hell, part of the episode showed they were basically reduced to conscripting children to try to fight off his armies.

Still wouldn't mind a link to that fanfic just because Time Refugee Starlight being pissed at Twilight because Twilight just can not catch a break is an amusing concept to me.
 
Khettien said:
Ehhh. I've never really come across a satisfactory definitive difference between education and indoctrination. Most of them boil down to, "you can trust us, but watch out for those other guys!"



Like the bear joke implies, it's not about being the toughest prey, it's about appearing tough enough the predators go and look for another target. (For those not familiar - Two men are being chased by a bear. One stops to swap out his boots for running shoes, and the other screams, "Are you crazy?!" The first man calmly replies, "I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have outrun you.")
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That's why we have lab class to see for ourselves. It is quite limited tho. We should test out everything we learn.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Still wouldn't mind a link to that fanfic just because Time Refugee Starlight being pissed at Twilight because Twilight just can not catch a break is an amusing concept to me.
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You really don't want to deal with ponies that have "toughened the heck up" because they are action survivors and badasses capable of killing an evil wizard.... by dropping them off a cliff.... they made themselves and goes to the center of the Earth.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amelia_Lonelyheart/My_Little_Pony:_Applejack_knocks_the_Wizard_to_the_"end_of_the_Earth"
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That's G1 Applejack.
 
You know what's weird ? I never heard Paul use the word "gainsay" or I never remember reading a line where he uses it, is this a point towards the personality changes brought on by becoming Gravy ?
 
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Given the only Paul to ever even remotely understand the necessity of Social Mores was the one given the Super Power of Common Sense...
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I wonder, does that hold true for our beloved Mr. Zoat as well? I think it may, albeit not to the degree of the many displaced Pauls, lost and confused as they are.
 
Onslaught (part 4)
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    • 24th August 2012
    08:43 GMT -5

    Georgia and Thaddeus Junior strap themselves into what looks like a sort of scaffolding.. power armour. Wires trail from various devices stuck at key points and connect to a computer display set up around head height for each of them. Force fields flicker and sensors wiggle as they do their final checks.

    "You know, if we'd just flown, we could have been there by now."

    Thaddeus leans around his monitor, frowning at me.

    "Of course we could. But what would we have learned from doing that?"

    Georgia nods. "It's not as if we aren't perfectly capable of building starships or long-range teleportation machines."

    "But… If you can do all that, why do you want to come?"

    "Oh, we haven't ever been able to study qwa-matter. We don't know how it works."

    Thaddeus shoots her an annoyed glance. "Yet."

    "I thought that went without saying."

    "I can't promise that Vril Dox won't be busy."

    Georgia… Makes a curious spluttering… Quacking noise, prompting Thaddeus to frown.

    "Do you really just want to talk to the coluan? If you want a pet there's a whole planet of them going free."

    "Vril Dox is the first man within a socially acceptable age divergence who can match my intellect and interests without being biologically related to me." She looks at me. "I mean that in the nicest way possible. You're not a moron, you're just… Simpler minded."

    "Oh, I know Dox is far more intelligent than me. That's why I picked him for the job. But, really?"

    "There's a certain type of young male super scientist who prefers to build their own partner. Or mind control some cheerleader they fixated on."

    She clenches her right fist and raises it to her left shoulder, closing her eyes and taking a deep breath in as she does so. Then she breathes out, pushing her fist away from her and opening her eyes.

    "It makes it very difficult to meet someone."

    "Bah. My sharp intellect thrusteth sure. My intelligence is as the intelligence of ten because my science is pure."

    "Yes, and with an attitude like that you're going to stay pure for a while. Father was lucky to find someone like Mother."

    "And I appreciate being born, but I still cannot help but think that an exo-womb would be more efficient."

    "Pregnancy hormones help mother-child bonding." I shrug. "Even most species that have high quality exo-wombs tend not to use them all that much except when there's a high risk of medical problems."

    "Emotional problems. I've built emotional inhibitors. They work fine."

    "Um." I glance at Georgia. "When you said 'build their own or mind control a cheerleader'..?"

    She frowns, then looks at her brother- "Oh!" -and shudders slightly. "No. I'm not sure if it's a matter of standards exactly-"

    "It was too."

    "-but Junior never did anything like that. Though that might have been because we were pre-pubescent when we left normal school."

    "But you were several years ahead."

    "Yes, but that aspect of it didn't really register. My own hormones hadn't really kicked in yet."

    "What about the possum chap?"

    "Well yes, I was aware of the social aspect. But all of my other knowledge was theoretical."

    "I still say exo-wombs are more efficient."

    "You-? You're both aware that Doctor Sivana selected your genes-."

    "With the aim of making us as brilliant as possible." Thaddeus turns his attention back to his checks. "Of course we are. We checked his work."

    "Yes, but part of that for him was the socialisation aspect. You were supposed to have a less easy time getting along with people compared to your older siblings and so not have an alternative to science."

    "And?"

    "That's social science, isn't it?"

    "S-oooof…"

    Thaddeus freezes. Georgia grins.

    "T."

    "Hah! Proven wrong by Father."

    "Where is the control group? Hm? He can't possibly know if it actually had an impact without comparing us to other children just as intelligent but with differing levels of social skill and inclination."

    Ooh.

    "Wouldn't he have known that?"

    Both their heads jerk in my direction, frowning.

    Thaddeus shakes his head. "Father wouldn't have created other children. He's always taking parenting very seriously."

    "No, not… I'm not saying that I think you have other siblings because, yes, that would be out of character. But he was already in contact with Doctor Love. If he was trying to study the social side, he could just have tampered with a few genes in someone else's children."

    Georgia frowns. "That does sound a little like him. But why hasn't he-?" She nods. "If we spoke to them then it would interfere with the experiment."

    "If it's still running. He didn't keep track of the Beresfords, did he? If he's already reached a conclusion, he's not going to do anything to actually help the other subjects, is he?"

    "No. Hm." Georgia nods. "I don't think he would. We can ask him when we get back. Junior, have you completed your checks?"

    "Yes."

    "Good." Georgia flips a series of switches, then nods in satisfaction. "Ready here."

    "Alright." I float over and put a hand on each power frame… Thing. "Please bear in mind that we're passing through a realm of pure avarice. Anything you can't cope with is your problem."

    "Oh please." / "Oh please."

    "Three, two, one."

    We step out
     
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    "Alright." I float over and put a hand on each power frame… Thing. "Please bear in mind that we're passing through a realm of pure avarice. Anything you can't cope with is your problem."
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    You know... I really do wonder if he's ever going to bother to ask the Guardians why they don't use Willworld to do what he is... Because there's gotta be a really good reason for it...
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    Oh, we haven't ever been able to study qwa-matter. We don't know how it works."

    Thaddeus shoots her an annoyed glance. "Yet."
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    Well, that's worrying.

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    Vril Dox is the first man within a socially acceptable age divergence who can match my intellect and interests without being biologically related to me." She looks at me. "I mean that in the nicest way possible. You're not a moron, you're just… Simpler minded."
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    Ahh, young love.

    And what she said about Paul is very true.

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    There's a certain type of young male super scientist who prefers to build their own partner.
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    Or a robot prostitute.

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    Though that might have been we were pre-pubescent when we left normal school."
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    'because we were'

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    Thaddeus shakes his head. "Father wouldn't have created other children. He's always taking parenting very seriously."
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    But he did play a part in creating other metahumans.

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    No, not… I'm not saying that I think you have other sibling because, yes, that would be out of character. But he was already in contact Doctor Love. If he was trying to study the social side, he could just have tampered with a few genes in someone else's children."
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    Yep.
     
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    "Emotional problems. I've build emotional inhibitors. They work fine."
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    built

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    "Where is the control group? Hm? He can't possibly know if it actually had an impact without comparing us to other children just as intelligent but with differing levels of social skill and inclination"
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    inclination. (missed a period.)

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    "No, not… I'm not saying that I think you have other sibling because, yes, that would be out of character. But he was already in contact Doctor Love. If he was trying to study the social side, he could just have tampered with a few genes in someone else's children."
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    siblings

    in contact with
     
    Tumeke said:
    The 'rabbit hole' is a reference to Alice in Wonderland. It doesn't have anything to do with literally stepping in rabbit holes.
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    For humans yes, but this was something Luna said, so the context of pony society applies.

    Things with Kalmin will either go very good or very bad. He may be offended at the very notion of a non-Qwardian trying to understand Qwa matter, or he may be inspired that a supposed primitive from a backwater planet has the intellect and knack for making things that go boom to be a worthy apprentice.
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    24th August 2012
    08:43 GMT -5

    Georgia and Thaddeus Junior strap themselves into what looks like a sort of scaffolding.. power armour. Wires trail from various devices stuck at key points and connect to a computer display set up around head height for each of them. Force fields flicker and sensors wiggle as they do their final checks.
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    Presumably lots and lots of esoteric sensors. Because however they're getting to Maltus (and clearly they've taken some time to get set up,) It's going to provide lots of data.

    "You know, if we'd just flown, we could have been there by now."

    Thaddeus leans around his monitor, frowning at me.

    "Of course we could. But what would we have learned from doing that?"
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    Sooo much data. Oh, I see... They want to greediport, don't they? Yes, that's going to end in Science!... And maybe tears (for everyone else.) And explosions.

    Georgia nods. "It's not as if we aren't perfectly capable of building starships or long-range teleportation machines."

    "But… If you can do all that, why do you want to come?"
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    Because they can only learn so much on Earth? Honestly, if he didn't give them a ride, they'd probably have turned up one day in their own ship.

    "Oh, we haven't ever been able to study qwa-matter. We don't know how it works."

    Thaddeus shoots her an annoyed glance. "Yet."

    "I thought that went without saying."
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    Ah, siblings. Especially twins. Though the idea of a Sivana with Qwa Matter? I find myself wondering if the Weaponers will be amazed, horrified, or both.

    "I can't promise that Vril Dox won't be busy."

    Georgia… Makes a curious spluttering… Quacking noise, prompting Thaddeus to frown.
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    "It... It's not like I'm going just to see him or anything!"
    "Then why are you blushing? ...Tsundere."

    "Do you really just want to talk to the coluan? If you want a pet there's a whole planet of them going free."

    "Vril Dox is the first man within a socially acceptable age divergence who can match my intellect and interests without being biologically related to me." She looks at me. "I mean that in the nicest way possible. You're not a moron, you're just… Simpler minded."
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    Ah, something of a crush on the cool older science guy. Oh, sure, she'll insist it's purely intellectual... I wonder what Dox will make of it...

    "Oh, I know Dox is far more intelligent than me. That's why I picked him for the job. But, really?"

    "There's a certain type of young male super scientist who prefers to build their own partner. Or mind control some cheerleader they fixated on."
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    Then they're doing too much thinking with the wrong head. Case in point: Hiro Okamura, who made, among other thigns, gynoid duplicates of most teen female heroes.

    She clenches her right fist and raises it to her left shoulder, closing her eyes and taking a deep breath in as she does so. Then she breathes out, pushing her fist away from her and opening her eyes.

    "It makes it very difficult to meet someone."
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    Not one for callow youth, eh? At least, not one without both brains and brawn?

    "Bah. My sharp intellect thrusteth sure. My intelligence is as the intelligence of ten because my science is pure."

    "Yes, and with an attitude like that you're going to stay pure for a while. Father was lucky to find someone like Mother."
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    In other words, don't expect to be passing on your superior Sivana genes anytime soon.

    "And I appreciate being born, but I still cannot help but think that an exo-womb would be more efficient."

    "Pregnancy hormones help mother-child bonding." I shrug. "Even most species that have high quality exo-wombs tend not to use them all that much except when there's a high risk of medical problems."
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    Those that don't have other methods of reproduction, like the egg-layers he saved previously. Or the Spider Guild, who don't have much of that parental attachment thing period.

    "Emotional problems. I've build emotional inhibitors. They work fine."

    "Um." I glance at Georgia. "When you said 'build their own or mind control a cheerleader'..?"
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    Is OL going to have to step in somewhere?

    She frowns, then looks at her brother- "Oh!" -and shudders slightly. "No. I'm not sure if it's a matter of standards exactly-"

    "It was too."
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    Too good for a sexbot, Tad? Or couldn't you work out the specifics? :cool:

    "-but Junior never did anything like that. Though that might have been we were pre-pubescent when we left normal school."

    "But you were several years ahead."
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    Wasted no time getting into the realm of pure science, eh?

    "Yes, but that aspect of it didn't really register. My own hormones hadn't really kicked in yet."

    "What about the possum chap?"

    "Well yes, I was aware of the social aspect. But all of my other knowledge was theoretical."
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    Well, getting practical knowledge would be a bit impractical. And kind of squicky.

    "I still say exo-wombs are more efficient."

    "You-? You're both aware that Doctor Sivana selected your genes-."

    "With the aim of making us as brilliant as possible." Thaddeus turns his attention back to his checks. "Of course we are. We checked his work."
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    There's more to life than just science, you know...
    "Lies! Heresy most foul!"

    "Yes, but part of that for him was the socialisation aspect. You were supposed to have a less easy time getting along with people compared to your older siblings and so not have an alternative to science."

    "And?"

    "That's social science, isn't it?"
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    :confused: Huh. That's one way to look at it...

    "S-oooof…"

    Thaddeus freezes. Georgia grins.
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    No taking it back now, kiddo. Though I'd be worried if his eyebrow starts twitching...

    "T."

    "Hah! Proven wrong by Father."
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    While the good doctor isn't dead, this MCU quote still fits: "Dead for almost twenty years... Still taking me to school..." Ah, Thaddeus, you renaissance man of Science, you.

    "Where is the control group? Hm? He can't possibly know if it actually had an impact without comparing us to other children just as intelligent but with differing levels of social skill and inclination"

    Ooh.
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    Damn right! That's bad mad science. Though the implications if him having done so... :confused: Yikes.

    "Wouldn't he have known that?"

    Both their heads jerk in my direction, frowning.
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    And of course all three of them can imagine just that scenario.

    Thaddeus shakes his head. "Father wouldn't have created other children. He's always taking parenting very seriously."

    "No, not… I'm not saying that I think you have other sibling because, yes, that would be out of character. But he was already in contact Doctor Love. If he was trying to study the social side, he could just have tampered with a few genes in someone else's children."
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    Not hard to confirm. Take a look at the upper ranges of young geniuses a year or two older than the twins. Do a quick genetic scan.

    Georgia frowns. "That does sound a little like him. But why hasn't he-?" She nods. "If we spoke to them then it would interfere with the experiment."

    "If it's still running. He didn't keep track of the Beresfords, did he? If he's already reached a conclusion, he's not going to do anything to actually help the other subjects, is he?"
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    That's Thomas and Tuppence Terror, if anyone's forgotten. Also of note while checking their YJ wiki entry: Onslaught. Hmm...

    "No. Hm." Georgia nods. "I don't think he would. We can ask him when we get back. Junior, have you completed your checks?"

    "Yes."
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    Oh, yes. Someone's ready to shelf this line of conversation...

    "Good." Georgia flips a series of switches, then nods in satisfaction. "Ready here."

    "Alright." I float over and put a hand on each power frame… Thing. "Please bear in mind that we're passing through a realm of pure avarice. Anything you can't cope with is your problem."
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    This will be interesting in so many ways. This'll be the first time he's taken someone through the Honden with purely scientific protection, rather than mystical.

    "Oh please." / "Oh please."

    "Three, two, one."

    We step out
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    Saying it again: This will either end in Science! or Explosions.

    Well, here's hoping all goes well. It'll be fascinating to hear the twins' view of the Honden, assuming they aren't driven crazier than usual by the trip. And Hinon will likely want copies of all their data on the trip too, if only for comparison to her own readings. Though that will be an interesting meeting. Science Granny and the Science Kids...
     
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    You know... I really do wonder if he's ever going to bother to ask the Guardians why they don't use Willworld to do what he is... Because there's gotta be a really good reason for it...
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    Maybe it's getting Relic's attention, cause he's from the New 52 and we all know Zoat loves that.
     
    Chojin Patriarch said:
    Ah, siblings. Especially twins. Though the idea of a Sivana with Qwa Matter? I find myself wondering if the Weaponers will be amazed, horrified, or both.
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    I don't think there's a difference with the two for a Weaponer.

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    In other words, don't expect to be passing on your superior Sivana genes anytime soon.
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    There's always exo-wombs.

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    . Or the Spider Guild, who don't have much of that parental attachment thing period.
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    Though Princess seems to get different treatment.

    It's nice to know that even though Paul is a deadbeat dad, that little bundle of sunshine has a mother.

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    Is OL going to have to step in somewhere?
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    He really should have stepped in much sooner, seeing as they've already commited multiple crimes.

    Chojin Patriarch said:
    This will be interesting in so many ways. This'll be the first time he's taken someone through the Honden with purely scientific protection, rather than mystical.
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    They may be using some magic, their father can use it.

    Also, if the Controllers helped with protecting the ships, then tech may have been used.

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    Saying it again: This will either end in Science! or Explosions.
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    There isn't a difference between these two for the Sivanas.

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    It won't.
     
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    Magic apocalypse probably.
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    That Step Out is either going to do nothing or completely fuck them up, isn't it?

    I wonder what will happen if one of the Silvanas tries to understand magic one day.

    Also, aren't Beautifica and Magnus the control group? Super intellect plus social and gorgeous?
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    He does. He just prefer to go clarktech on it.

    But he understands magic very, very well.

    And yes, they are A control, but the fact that they know could screw the result, so it makes angry science sense to have a blind control as well
     
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