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To be fair, it would have been a lot brighter a few years ago.
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Okay, I have a suspicion that this current time traveller mess is happening now because all of the supergirls are here in this location in this time period."Don't worry! I'm alive without a scratch!"
A blue shape-.
And that's five!
"I'm Kara Zor-El from the planet Krypton." She looks around, frowning. "I didn't think Earth would be this dark."
Is this Pre-Crisis Supergirl? The one who can move planets on her own because she's from the Golden Age?
Oh. My. Gosh."Please." He scoffs, with face and voice. "This hasn't ever been about me."
"Well said." The third member of their gathering suddenly comes to life, his blank gaze becoming piercing. "To paraphrase what a very wise man once said, ask not what your world can do for you, but ask what you can do for your world." Then he smiles, recruitment-poster-come-to-life inhumanity becoming notably more human. "But if you can get rich at the same time, then why not?"
I never even thought of that. That may very well be an evil Uncle Sam, or whatever you can call him. Truggs knows the H-Dial because in the comics he stole it in his time period. Also, Savage is still around. The Time Trapper version of him ceased to exist after he was replaced by Time Trapper Paul.Oh. My. Gosh.
recruitment-poster-come-to-life
ask not what your world can do for you, but ask what you can do for your world
I was rereading and just figured this out.
Per Degaton didn't send someone loyal but unimaginative back in time to found eliminations inc. He sent the nation-spirit of his united earth empire. As someone he could absolutely rely on to devote themselves to recreating his nation, who could be reasonably expected to have the superhuman power and both loyalty and intelligence to succeed. And be able to beat any other time-travelers who are sent to stop them from changing the timeline. Because I think most time-travelers don't have superpowers, and are often unfamiliar with magic.
The only question is how he prepared the spirit to handle the whole issue of possibly having its strength scale to match the strength of its nation, and whichever nation it represents being extremely weak in the past. Who wants to bet that Per Degaton's nation actually rules Antarctica now? possibly even openly declared as doing so, pretending to be one of those silly nations that people found from their basements.
And now that Truggs is recruiting high-end allies for himself, he not only got Circe, but managed to track down the time-travelling nation-spirit of Per Degaton's time. And they have very compatible ambitions, because Truggs wants the earth unified, but would just prefer to minimize breakage in the process.
There's a lot that I don't understand in that chapter, like implications of Truggs having seen the dial before in relation to time travel, but I'm pretty sure of the above.
Also now that we know Savage had the Cosmic Convertor technology, ?and Savage died to a time wedgie? Was never fully clear on that. I suspect that Truggs is now the one with the Cosmic convertor technology. And depending on how much progress he's made at weaponizing it he could have a lot of dangerous stuff.
Also PS I suspect that the dial is an 'icon' from the 853 century.
Are we getting Overman really soon? Is Nazi Earth the reason for all the Supergirls? Also, I think you once said that if a version of you showed up on that Earth that you wouldn't last long. Maybe I'm misremembering."So are we looking for peaceful reform..? Or are we looking for a time machine?"
This time.
"Halt."
I stop. It's been a while since GCSE German, but I think that's what he wants.
Prisoner."
Strange that a man who has spent so much time in America still has such a pronounced accent.
"Overman. How may I be of service?"
Because if vanishing from my world wasn't enough, I appeared on one where the Nazis won the Second World War. And they are rather thin skinned about being called 'Nazis'.
"I thought that you had learned to be more careful with your words
"I am concerned that someone might use the fact that you are unbound as an excuse to shoot you. The paperwork is still being processed. Once it is complete, you will be a citizen of the Kingdom of Britain
"So are we looking for peaceful reform..? Or are we looking for a time machine
though -> thought
Are we getting Overman really soon? Is Nazi Earth the reason for all the Supergirls? Also, I think you once said that if a version of you showed up on that Earth that you wouldn't last long. Maybe I'm misremembering.
'May'
Did this iteration of Paul also get sucked into the tuning fork by Krona? Or has that not happened yet at this point in time? I don't pay a lot of attention to the timestamps anymore since I forget the timeline of things too easily.
Did this iteration of Paul also get sucked into the tuning fork by Krona? Or has that not happened yet at this point in time? I don't pay a lot of attention to the timestamps anymore since I forget the timeline of things too easily.
Did this iteration of Paul also get sucked into the tuning fork by Krona? Or has that not happened yet at this point in time? I don't pay a lot of attention to the timestamps anymore since I forget the timeline of things too easily.
..... Heh. Upgraded ring with updated protocols and training smuggled to new Paul.
I strongly suspect that Paul showed up at a fight and started trying to talk to both sides. Or showed up at a freedom fighter meeting shortly before a Reichsman raid, or tried to talk to Overman right before a Freedom Fighter attack. And thus got the chance to talk to both sides in a way that seemed impactful.Don't forget a not so peaceful reform.
And it looks like we'll be getting more time travel shenanigans.
And maybe Angelika will reunite with her adoptive father.
Has this Paul worked with the resistance here, since he mentioned Doll Man and Uncle Sam and seemed to know them?
And should the title for this chapter be Furure Tense Part 7?
Usually when we get an alternate Paul the title for the chapter is different.
Or I guess there are any number of Nazi Earths where Overman decided "this is fine" and didn't feel the need to change anything
Whoa, there's a mood whiplash. Evidently this Paul, and I assume it is a displaced Paul who turned up with a Ring, hasn't had the best time of matters. Still, good to see his captors have some measure of reasonable response.13th September 2012
08:52 GMT -5
I want to ask 'Is this really necessary?', but given that I ended up pissing blood after last time I spoke during this part I think I'll hold my tongue.
And anyway, I know that it's not. Manacled wrist and ankles and with a bag over my head, all I can do is shuffle along as directed. To be fair, the soldiers who escort me are usually 'reasonable' about that part; any defiance is met with a beating, but they don't hit you for failing to comply faster than you physically can.
Earth-10, then. So this is Overgirl's native universe, and its' Paul. Wonder what colour this one had?This time.
"Halt."
I stop. It's been a while since GCSE German, but I think that's what he wants.
Boy, these guys are taking no small amount of caution. It's unlikely Paul got any measure of personal power-ups before this, so... They do this for everyone, brute or not.No part of my body is exposed, but the slight change in air pressure pushes the material of the bag slightly and I feel that. A door opening.
A slight tap to the back and I start moving again, the echo… A small room. As expected, I'm led forwards, turned and then sat down. There's a clicking, chinking noise as my ankle manacles are attached to the floor, then the manacles holding my forearms together are released so that my arms can be attached to the chair's arm rests.
No doubt, "Thank you, dismissed." From context. Presumably this is whoever he's going to be talking to.A cheeky 'danke schoen' at this point is not wise.
"Danke. Wegtreten."
So, not a forceful interrogation. Evidently they've learned to balance the stick with the carrot.I recognise that voice. One more day with all of my remaining teeth intact. Wonderful. I hear the guards who escorted me march out. The doors here are muffled so I don't hear it close, but I do hear the sound of footsteps cut off.
And then the bag is pulled free, and joy of joys the light isn't blinding.
Well, he did grow up in Germany. Is that so strange? People tend to keep their accents even after long times amongst other languages. Though I doubt Overman has spoken much of anything but German in years anyway."Prisoner."
Strange that a man who has spent so much time in America still has such a pronounced accent.
That must have been one hell of a rude awakening, even by displaced Paul standards."Overman. How may I be of service?"
Because if vanishing from my world wasn't enough, I appeared on one where the Nazis won the Second World War. And they are rather thin skinned about being called 'Nazis'.
Ah, so he's been working with the Freedom Fighters. Hence the war criminal treatment. Wonder how he kept his ring working, if he did at all? I doubt Alan Scott's Ring and Lantern would be in the wild any more (pretty sure that's what one of the New Reichsmen is using?)Overman himself is actually not that bad. The Second World War as effectively over while he was still a teenager, so I can hardly blame him for how things turned out.
I didn't actually notice that there were literally no black people around until Doll Man pointed it out to me.
Yeah, I can't imagine Hugo Danner not having some part in the resistance against Nazi expansion, even if he was based in Brazil at that point... And super-strength tends to be a dime-a-dozen anyway."I have though about what you said."
I just about manage to shrug. I think these seats were made for people a great deal stronger than me, and I can't get a lot of motion out of my shoulders.
Because Humanity always instinctively looks for an Other? Something to band against to protect the Tribe? We over-evolved apes are kind of persistent that way."Could you be more specific? I have said a great many things in chairs like this."
"The state of the world. Your thoughts on how mankind naturally divides itself in whatever way seems logical, and then fights amongst itself."
And if they had none, they'd probably have to manufacture it..."Absent a unifying ideology, yes. I doubt that the first generation fascists would recognise what your society is now, even if they weren't displeased with it."
"An enemy outside and an enemy inside."
Yep. tribalism at its worst. And I can't see that idea being popular with most of Overman's compatriots."People are easier to convince to take radical action when they feel threatened. If you want to arrest your political opponents, it's easier if people believe that there are people living around them working to destroy the things they value. Even if it's only a simpleton trying to burn down a public building."
He looks at me impassively.
Well, good to see he's as crafty as any other Paul."I thought that you had learned to be more careful with your words. If I was Leatherwing, you would have lost another tooth."
"If you were Leatherwing, I wouldn't be bothering. You want something. From me."
Leatherwing being the Batman counterpart? Yeah, I can see him being less than stable when confronted with... Contradictions to his ideals?"Even so…"
"Leathwing didn't hit me because I was incautious. He hit me because I couldn't tell him what he wanted to know. Everything else was a rationalisation." I shake my head. "I don't-."
Fascinating. [/Spock] I wonder, does he even care how popular a decision that will be with his allies?
Not that they could use it. But unless you were willing to toe the party line, I doubt it would be considered acceptable."You are right. You do not know anything. You broke a few minor laws that you did not know existed, and which are only there to make people afraid to step out of line. If it were not for your ring, you would not be here now."
"I assume that I'm not getting it back."
Lucky for you, Paul. Presumably it was an Orange Ring, then. Interesting timing. Presumably Overgirl has already disappeared, or she would have found OL familiar..."No. But you were right when you warned us about its negative mental effects. That was what finally convinced Leatherwing to stop opposing your release."
"Ah, thank you. I rather assumed that he'd just have me shot."
Where does the 800-pound Gorilla sleep? Anywhere he wants to. Yeah. I don't see his people wanting to upset him... Until they can find some manner of counter to him...Overman nods. "He eased off when I made it clear that I valued your input. My… Speech to the Reichsmen has made several people in the upper levels of the Party uncomfortable. They are making sure not to press me over minor matters."
"My I ask why I'm chained up? Are you afraid that I'll break my knuckles on your face?"
Yes, do tell. Is there a possible revolution building in Overman's heart?"I am concerned that someone might use the fact that you are unbound as an excuse to shoot you. The paperwork is still being processed. Once it is complete, you will be a citizen of the Kingdom of Britain. Until then, you are a prisoner."
I nod. "Do you..? Want to tell me what the speech was?"
Since Greek would likely be a forgotten language after what, sixty years of German Rule? Seventy? Only the oldest people would still speak it, and they'd likely avoid doing so out of fear."It concerned… Some thoughts I had concerning the Reich. The events of the post-war period."
"The genocide."
"Genos..? Ah." He nods. "From the Greek. 'Tribe-killing'."
Not news, as Overgirl noted as much when she first got here, that he'd confided in her. But it's interesting to hear him say it himself."And… What did you say about it?"
"I said that I bitterly regretted it."
And other supersenses aren't so precise unless you're much closer.I frown. "I… Didn't think that you… Personally…"
He shakes his head.
"They killed a great many people. 'Enemies of the state', I was told. I put it from my mind, as you said. Other people were moved into ghettos. Most of the killing happened when I was away from the Earth. Even I cannot hear through vacuum."
Heh. Is Britain under the rule of a Big Brother-like party right now, then? Albeit without the constant state of war and clever manipulations based off that.I nod. "And what do you want to do about it?"
"I want to free a talkative Englischer who knows what modern society is when it is not formed by the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei."
I would not be surprised if he could manage it. He's much closer to the Silver Age peaks than Superman-16 is."Right, but… Do you want to talk about reform to your civilisation, or..? Something more extreme?"
He looks me directly in the eyes-. No, higher. Forehead? Is he planning on using heat vision on me, or is he looking at the patterns of activity in my brain?
Like I said: 800-pound Gorilla. If your Fuhrer (or his highest lieutenant, back in the day?) can pull you apart like a crumbly cake, would you argue?"What do you mean by that?"
"I remember hearing in a history documentary about a letter Hitler wrote to a party official who was trying to get promoted to head of his local party office. Hitler told him that if he was certain that he had majority support, he should 'just take over'. Social Darwinism was a big thing in the Party back then. You're the strongest man on the planet, and you're popular with every generation since the war."
Not least because he's probably trying to reconcile the pre-conquest character of America with the modern soul of Amerika trying to worm its way into his 'national embodiment' head... And has been for seventy-odd years."Not with everyone."
"Uncle Sam in insane. Speaking from personal experience, there."
No, no, no. Never try to kill Hitler before 1945! It never works out well for any traveller!"They are told that the 'cleansing' was a harsh necessity that their grandparents undertook for their benefit. They do not see it as I do."
Like Leatherwing, a man whose grandfather once said that if it was known that he compared Hitler to an ape, 'no chimpanzee would ever speak to me again'. But what am I supposed to say to Overman about it?
"So are we looking for peaceful reform..? Or are we looking for a time machine?"
Very very unlikely as this one no longer has a Power Ring.
That said I'd like to see a version of OL that landed on the New Frontier Earth.
Like Darko said. I just want to point out that that particular Paul did have a ring though we don't know if he had the ring on him at the time when Clayface was kidnapped the set Clayface looking like it was enough to get kidnapped instead of Paul.I don't think having a ring is a necessity for getting grabbed by Krona.
Clayface was kidnapped and he didn't have a ring.
Plus this Paul did have a ring, it was just taken from him.
Though it's possible that he didn't get abducted, since he didn't think or mention Angelika, since Krona already had enough or he was abducted but didn't see Angelika before he went back.
Yeah, I can't imagine Hugo Danner not having some part in the resistance against Nazi expansion, even if he was based in Brazil at that point... And super-strength tends to be a dime-a-dozen anyway.
Because Humanity always instinctively looks for an Other? Something to band against to protect the Tribe? We over-evolved apes are kind of persistent that way.
And if they had none, they'd probably have to manufacture it...
Yep. tribalism at its worst. And I can't see that idea being popular with most of Overman's compatriots.
Since Greek would likely be a forgotten language after what, sixty years of German Rule? Seventy? Only the oldest people would still speak it, and they'd likely avoid doing so out of fear.
I would not be surprised if he could manage it. He's much closer to the Silver Age peaks than Superman-16 is.
Not least because he's probably trying to reconcile the pre-conquest character of America with the modern soul of Amerika trying to worm its way into his 'national embodiment' head... And has been for seventy-odd years.
No, no, no. Never try to kill Hitler before 1945! It never works out well for any traveller!
Thank you, corrected.
No. Germany has a 'first among equals' position amongst the world powers, but it was never practical for Germany to occupy the whole of the world.
No, it's more 'He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster'.And not too surprising if the Nazis are getting more powerful, he might actually stop existing.
Worked with? No.Has this Paul worked with the resistance here, since he mentioned Doll Man and Uncle Sam and seemed to know them?
Yes, because it's part of the same story rather than me going off on a tangent like normal.And should the title for this chapter be Furure Tense Part 7?
Usually when we get an alternate Paul the title for the chapter is different.
Thank you, corrected.
How would anyone know?