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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

More than once, in fact. One notable instance was during Infinite Crisis, when the Goddesses took it away for safety, leaving Diana, Donna and Cassie Sandsmark behind...
Really? What happened to that one?
...Best to check about the 'Man setting foot on Paradise island' thing too. Namely, a condition that the Amazons would loose their blessings if any man walked on the soil of the island... It was usually gotten around by male visitors being carried or simply flying.
is that why it was taken so literally in the DCAU?
 
Really? What happened to that one?
It came back soon enough. Apparently as part of the events of 'Amazons Attack'? And no, the plotline was not as good as that makes it sound... (If you've heard of the 'Bees. My god' meme, this is where it came from...)

is that why it was taken so literally in the DCAU?
Yep.The restriction goes all the way back to the original first issue of Wonder Woman, back in the 40's, with the price of failing to uphold it being the removal of the Amazons' immortality (and presumably the threat of their years catching up to them fast...) Admittedly, as writers changed, so did the restriction. Usually depends on how seriously the writer takes the concept...
 
de Gualle black balled us.
  • not letting Scotland take back its independance (just after the Brexit, we were really hoping for you to dig yourselves deeper)
I don't think I can talk about this one in detail on QQ. I will simply point out that there was a plebiscite, and remain won.
  • creating English food
The crime is its own punishment.
Thank you, corrected.
 
It came back soon enough. Apparently as part of the events of 'Amazons Attack'? And no, the plotline was not as good as that makes it sound... (If you've heard of the 'Bees. My god' meme, this is where it came from...)
Thought that was Nickolas Cage and The Wicker man movie?
Yep.The restriction goes all the way back to the original first issue of Wonder Woman, back in the 40's, with the price of failing to uphold it being the removal of the Amazons' immortality (and presumably the threat of their years catching up to them fast...) Admittedly, as writers changed, so did the restriction. Usually depends on how seriously the writer takes the concept...
Huh. Thought the Queen was just being obstinate and to the letter rather than spirit.
Does that mean the protections were gone the moment that professor guy with the Medusa talisman got there?
I know Queen Hippolyta eased up after Diana came back to deal with the doors to the underworld episode. At least the banishment bit.
Mr Zoat
Paul might wanna do that walk 1 inch of the ground where ever he goes thing. Probably less egotistical looking than floating and doubt anybody would pay too much attention to his feet.
On the other hand making himself a woman would solve that issue and produce an interesting reaction or two.
 
Here's a big batch of corrections (and a couple of comments) from my archive binge. A few of those are already corrected in the original post, but not in the archive thread here.

I'm left looking at rule 63'd version of M'gann, complete with chalk white skin and grey-black hair.
Dead link. If my memory serves me right, this is the image that was supposed to be there.

"I informed the Committee that advanced species have -for the most part- abandoned aircraft, and that in any case the American establishment's unwillingness to use 'superhero' technology means that compared to things you can find in a half dozen American cities any day of the week, even cutting edge conventional aeronautics are more or less obsolete."

President Horne regards me for a moment. "If that what you've been telling the Chinese?"
"Is"

Her revised form is more like that of the comic White Martians
Dead link. Once again, if memory serves it used to be this image.

All of our cameras are ultra high speed, relaying their images to a high speed computer server with advanced pattern recognition programming. That it turn controls explosive shrapnel charges.
"in turn"

She's had it cut short rather than long as I remember if being in the comics.
"it"

Eris looks away for a moment. "Wrll. I'll let you off. But I expect you to make an actual decision."
"Well"

I take two cold guns out of subspace. "Might I offer you each one of these to augment your arsenals? I can be available to train you in their use just as soon as Batman-" Ms Thal takes the one closest to her and begins examining it closely. "-gives the all-clear."

Mister Hol nods. "I think I will take you up one that."
"on that", I think.

Another exhalation. "Fighting something you can't eat is just… Perverse."
All your links to Goblin comic lead to the most recent page, because they've changed the format for the archive. It took me a while to figure out that this was the problem, so I didn't make a note of the previous links. Here's the updated link for this specific page.

Early in my stay on this Earth I discovered any number of things that I would imagine people would rather I didn't share.
The image behind that link is down. I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be that one, but just linking the image wouldn't give the context as clearly.

Most of the energy is still oncoming, but I think I should be able to-.

Gugerhaah!
I think the SI managed to gugerhaah very well, given the circumstances.

From the original post, the text in the hyper link is supposed to be "fight gun-armed criminals while wearing tights". The hyperlink of the original post is to a dead link, though, while this one works.

"Hello, my son."
Self=Darkseid
Darkseid sits quite calmly in my chair
Dead link. I'm not sure what image used to be there, but I'm pretty sure you'll find something suitable on that page.

Public holograms are something Diana never tried to introduce and they're a far more immediate that word of mouth or plays.
"than" (another one that was corrected long ago in the original thread)

The air to Nabu's right shimmers, and a translucent image of Mister Zatara appears. He looks haggard and slightly panicked. "Zatanna, this is madness! Please!"

"As if we'd believe an illusion you create-."

"Are you saying you could have let me speak to my dad at any time?!"
I honestly cannot decide which would be worse for Nabu. Admitting that he's lying or that he could have let them talk together without effort at any point before this. I also like how both Paul and Zatanna immediately jump to a different conclusion.

Some sort of open robe thing? Sort of a blank version of what the Green Lanterns wore for Superman's funeral in Justice League Animated?
I'm not sure what image should be there. Maybe this one?

If you can wait a few days, he should be able to arrange an meeting."
"a meeting"

The two aircraft dip and turn, heading for the south side of the facility where Amalak's personal accommodation is situated. I head after them. The design reminds me of GDI Orca aircraft, thrust provided by directional turbofans.
Dead link. I'm not sure what was supposed to be there, but I think you should be able to find something good somewhere on this page.

"I'm sure that the Commander knows what he's doing."

"Yeah, me to.
"too"

"He's really dead?"

"Assuming that he can't survive his own physical death, yes."
That's an important qualifier. As the Reach is going to find out...

"And you'll certainly become my pawns before I die. How far do you want to escalate this?"

The Dominator continues to stare at me for several moments.

Then he turns away from me to face Medphyll. "Green Lantern. I require you to take us into custody."
Smart lads.

W-? There's a Qwardian face, wearing what looks like a deerstalker hat and with a pair of welding goggles across his eyes.
The link is dead, but I don't have a good suggestion for a replacement. I can only find image with the winged helmet rather than the deerstalker hat described here (and which I kind of remember from when I first read this. I normally don't point out dead links when I don't have a good replacement suggestion, but this is the introduction of a rather important character.

I abandon the lower section of filaments, then release Praexis Demons higher up. Directly into the faced of the Thunderers.

I bring my hands together, pulling at the desires for freedom and conquest in the beam.
So ... Scott Free and Grayven?

That's the thing about using wards; while the do protect you from minor magics
"they"

"Exhibit one." I generate a hologram of the woman the police are looking for. "Angelica Blaze, surprisingly wealthy small business owner and Metropolis resident for at least eight years.
Dead link. I haven't been able to find a good picture of Angelica Blaze, the closest I got was this.

"Recognised, Orange Lantern, B Zero Six, Angelica Blaze, A Four Three."
Dead link again, but this time I don't know what's supposed to be there.

"Good. But will you fixed the damage that was caused?
"fix"

Which -given the wide variety of power sets I'm familiar with- is a little odd, now I think about it.
I believe this is supposed to "now that I think".


EDIT: should I post those correction suggestions inside spoilers to avoid interfering with the discussion of the current post?
 
Does that mean the protections were gone the moment that professor guy with the Medusa talisman got there?

That was Faust and yeah, the protections being dropped if a man stepped on the island could explain how a guy that's only been practicing magic for a few years was able to subdue an entire island.

Though I guess he may have gotten some blessings from Hades.
 
Thought that was Nickolas Cage and The Wicker man movie?
That was 'Not the bees!'. This is the 'Bees. My God.' meme. Specifically, the Amazons dug up some of their stranger weapons as part of the fight. Like killer attack bees. And even Batman looks like 'Are they serious? Bees?' though his reaction is more serious in-universe.

Huh. Thought the Queen was just being obstinate and to the letter rather than spirit.
Does that mean the protections were gone the moment that professor guy with the Medusa talisman got there?
I have no idea who that is. I sadly have not seen anything more than clips of the Justice League cartoons...<checks wiki> Ah, Felix Faust? It says the Amazons were turned to stone, though. Maybe that prevented the penalties from harming them for the duration? I would presume there are loopholes to avoid penalties or atonements they can perform. They apparently banished Diana afterwards...
 
That was 'Not the bees!'. This is the 'Bees. My God.' meme. Specifically, the Amazons dug up some of their stranger weapons as part of the fight. Like killer attack bees. And even Batman looks like 'Are they serious? Bees?' though his reaction is more serious in-universe.

Hey, bees can be pretty deadly.

I have no idea who that is. I sadly have not seen anything more than clips of the Justice League cartoons...<checks

Don't worry, I spend my time watching clips from House M.D. on YouTube instead of watching the show, so I know what you're going through.
 
Ah, darn it. Remember back when the Red Lantern version killed Kid Karnevil? There's a brilliant scene from Salvation Run where he fanboys at the Joker. When the Joker tells him that he's not interested in a sidekick, Karnevil says that he doesn't want to be one. No, he wants to flay the Joker and wear his skin as a cloak as a tribute. The Joker's expression in the next panel is priceless.

I should have linked to that.
Thought that was Nickolas Cage and The Wicker man movie?
Okay, firstly, do not refer to the Nicholas Cage version of that film as the default version. It's a crap remake.
Mr Zoat
Paul might wanna do that walk 1 inch of the ground where ever he goes thing. Probably less egotistical looking than floating and doubt anybody would pay too much attention to his feet.
On the other hand making himself a woman would solve that issue and produce an interesting reaction or two.
That might have been a good idea. Unfortunately, the SI has never heard that version before. He has an environmental shield on, if that's any good.
Here's a big batch of corrections (and a couple of comments) from my archive binge. A few of those are already corrected in the original post, but not in the archive thread here.

Dead link. If my memory serves me right, this is the image that was supposed to be there.

"Is"
Thank you, corrected.
Dead link. Once again, if memory serves it used to be this image.

"in turn"
Your link doesn't show anything for me. It's surprisingly hard to get a good picture of White Martians.
Thank you, corrected.
That one is intentional.
"on that", I think.
All your links to Goblin comic lead to the most recent page, because they've changed the format for the archive. It took me a while to figure out that this was the problem, so I didn't make a note of the previous links. Here's the updated link for this specific page.

The image behind that link is down. I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be that one, but just linking the image wouldn't give the context as clearly.

From the original post, the text in the hyper link is supposed to be "fight gun-armed criminals while wearing tights". The hyperlink of the original post is to a dead link, though, while this one works.

Dead link. I'm not sure what image used to be there, but I'm pretty sure you'll find something suitable on that page.


"than" (another one that was corrected long ago in the original thread)

I'm not sure what image should be there. Maybe this one?

"a meeting"

Dead link. I'm not sure what was supposed to be there, but I think you should be able to find something good somewhere on this page.

"too"

The link is dead, but I don't have a good suggestion for a replacement. I can only find image with the winged helmet rather than the deerstalker hat described here (and which I kind of remember from when I first read this. I normally don't point out dead links when I don't have a good replacement suggestion, but this is the introduction of a rather important character.


"they"

Dead link. I haven't been able to find a good picture of Angelica Blaze, the closest I got was this.

Dead link again, but this time I don't know what's supposed to be there.

"fix"
Thank you, corrected.
I believe this is supposed to "now that I think".
No, that's correct.
If I remember correctly, it was fanart of a teenaged version of Blaze in Young Justice.
This, but that's not actually meant to be Angelica Blaze. It's an OC called Blaze.
 
Ah, darn it. Remember back when the Red Lantern version killed Kid Karnevil? There's a brilliant scene from Salvation Run where he fanboys at the Joker. When the Joker tells him that he's not interested in a sidekick, Karnevil says that he doesn't want to be one. No, he wants to flay the Joker and wear his skin as a cloak as a tribute. The Joker's expression in the next panel is priceless

I'm assuming that this is the kid whose skull Komand'r saw in Raul's trophy place.
 
Mr Zoat, are the other two Marvels and Kara Zor-L members of the Team now? If not, when will they join? Also, where exactly is Innocent Kara staying while on Earth 16?
 
Also because it's a mile or two above Earth's surface, something like 2.5 miles long, made out of super metal, and the resulting effects from a nuclear bomb going off inside it would involve very large pieces of wreckage impacting the planet to the equivalent of a couple hundred nuclear bombs impacting the Earth like a shotgun blast...
I actually expect a nuke set off inside the ship would cripple it but not fully destroy it. If it's in orbit it's probably going to stay in orbit, not fall to Earth. Even a good knock downwards or backwards as it breaks up is only really going to make its pieces orbit a bit more elliptically. Might give us a headstart on Kessler Syndrome though.
 
Krummkreuz (part 10)
16th September 2012
17:16 GMT -4


Archon. Not Queen. Hippolyta did say that Diana's creation was the closest that she ever came to being overthrown. But… Greeks usually just sent unpopular tyrants into exile, if only because the people casting them down were usually well aware that they might end up sharing that fate at some point and didn't want to establish an unfortunate precedent.

"How did you get through the wards?" Ginger Amazon has relaxed very slightly since I've continued behaving myself, but it's the sort of 'dealing with a total stranger I don't want to inadvertently provoke with a display of anger' thing. "Are you some sort of god?"

"That's a bit complicated, but I don't meet most of the requirements to be regarded as a god." I smile. "You know, like how a plucked chicken isn't a man."

"I agree, a.. plucked chicken is not a man."

Her facial expression hasn't really changed, but it sounds like she isn't familiar with Diogenes. That's a problem with Amazons; they've been on the island since the Mythic Greek period, meaning that they often have a gap when it comes to knowledge of Classical Greece. I'll fabricate a copy of Parallel Lives for her before I leave.

"I don't think anyone else will be getting in, if that's what you're worried about."

"Even if your intent is pure, the wards would not know that you were bringing an Amazon home for healing."

"Yes, but their concept of 'permission' may be a little broader than you've assumed. They know that I'm allowed inside, so even if most of the people inside don't think that someone like me should be able to get inside, I can get inside."

The geography may be the same, but the architecture is radically different. The regular multi-storey stone and brick buildings from Themyscira 16 are entirely absent. Instead, they appear to have gone in for a much more individualistic approach, buildings drawing on a wide variety of pre-modern styles and eras.

"The way you're looking at the buildings. You've been here before."

"Sort of."

"How?"

How to put this? I don't think there's any relevant mythological reference I could make. On the other hand, Amazons are generally fairly well educated and used to things other people would consider very strange.

"How different would life be if we all made different choices? What if Queen Hippolyta had led the Amazons north rather than south? What if Amazons regrouped on the island for a time and then reached outward towards their new neighbours rather than remaining isolated? What if Zeus was a faithful husband?" I shrug. "So many possibilities."

"Do you mean that you got through the wards because it is possible that you would have been permitted through the wards if people had made different choices?"

"Not exactly. Imagine if there were a world… Out there, somewhere, where different choices had been made. Imagine it was possible to move between them. One where I'm a journalist in a country you've never heard of, and another where I'm a Themysciran citizen."

She stops, glaring intensely at me.

"How is that possible?"

"I don't know. I didn't build the universe; I just work here."

"They made a man a citizen?"

"Five, actually. One citizen married-. A man, and they had a son, and the Crown Princess adopted two sons and trained a male student. That's me. Hello!"

She looks like she strongly suspects that I'm lying, but can't prove it right away.

"Your.. Themyscira must be a very different place."

"I haven't seen enough of this one to say. Oh, do you want your-"

She leads us out into a small plaza, and I look up to see the party ready to receive us.

"-arrow back?"

Wonder Woman 10 kneels, receiving a nod from the figure in the extravagant robes in return. She has scars on the left side of her face and her left eye is covered by a patch, but… I don't remember any Amazon on Themyscira 16 looking like that.

"Hail Egeria, Archon of Themyscira."

"Hail Wonder Woman."

Ah, Philippus's predecessor. I assume that in this timeline she survived her injuries. I… Suppose that she'd have been in the running. She'd certainly have demonstrated the sort of martial ability and selflessness that the Amazons respect. Philippus herself is standing at her right hand, still wearing the Captain's armour.

I float the arrow back into the new Wonder Woman's quiver as I bow.

"Archon."

"As a citizen, you are entitled to petition me. Though if all you want is aid for one of our sisters I cannot imagine that I will refuse."

How did she-? Okay, I… Guess they've got radios or something.

"Did you overhear the part about worlds where different choices were made?"

"I did. This may be your first audience, but it is customary to introduce yourself."

Oh. Darn.

"I apologise. The Amazons back home usually call me 'Pavlos'. I hold the rank of Illustres in the Orange Lantern Corps. But about that.. aid. If you're minded to grant the request, I doubt that her condition is going to improve for getting it to her more slowly."

"The healers will be here to examine her shortly."

"Might I request-? I don't know how different your history is, but is your Magala still alive? Given the nature of Diana's injuries, I think it would be a good idea to include a dedicated human magic user."

Egeria turns her head slightly to the right and nods, one of the guards nodding back and leaving at a jog.

"If she is willing, it shall be as you ask."

"Thank you. I'd really like to get her back on her feet."

"Who is she?"

"Um. Okay, my version of Themyscira is ruled by a woman named Hippolyta."

"Yes. We were as well."

"Right. So about eighty years ago she got a bit broody and arranged to have a daughter sculpted from clay and then brought to life by magic. That's a version of her. Incid-."

I stop talking, because even I can read the room better than to continue.

"A daughter?"

"Um. Yes. I mean, that's not your version. As far as I know, she's from a world where a hugely powerful demon twisted everything and everyone with its magic. She had a helmet which was warping her mind, which I destroyed before bringing her here."

"She is the daughter of Queen Hippolyta."

"I haven't had a coherent conversation with her, but that seems most likely. I mean, I don't know what sort of state-"

Three priestesses dressed as clerics of Apollo enter the plaza and immediately head towards Diana with a stretcher. I lay her out on it before removing my construct hold on her.

"-she'll be in when she wakes up. I imagine that she'll want to go home. Archon, I feel like I'm missing some pertinent information that would allow me to better understand what's going on."

She nods. "It seems that you are. Allow me to explain the state of things."
 
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How did you get through the wards?" Ginger Amazon has relaxed very slightly since I've continued behaving myself, but it's the sort of 'dealing with a total stranger I don't want to inadvertently provoke with a display of anger' thing. "Are you some sort of god?"

Well, demigod.

You know, like how a plucked chicken isn't a man."

"I agree, a.. plucked chicken is not a man."

Ahh, Paul. You're always leaving people with the impression that you're crazy.

if Zeus was a faithful husband

Then we may get something like the Disney version.

Speaking of that one, I once read a fic in which that version replaces the Zeus from Percy Jackson and acts the way he'd usually act towards his Hera, with love and care.

Hera is incredible disturbed by this and thinks it's some kind of trick.

Wonder Woman 10 kneels, receiving a nod from the figure in the robes extravagant robes in return.

Weird sentence.

Remove the first 'robe'

"-she'll be in when she wakes up. I imagine that she'll want to go home. Archon, I feel like I'm missing some pertinent information that would allow me to better understand what's going on."

She nods. "It seems that you are. Allow me to explain the state of things

Time for some much needed exposition.
 
"They made a man a citizen?"

"Four, actually. One citizen married-. A man, and they had a son, and the Crown Princess adopted a son and trained a male student. That's me. Hello!"
I kinda want to hear a little more about the man who actually got married to an Amazon. How does that work exactly, what with her only being immortal on the island and him aging normally? Also, did Paragon!Wonder Woman not adopt Match? I guess Match is living with the Kents in the Paragon timeline.

"Right. So about eighty years ago she got a bit broody and arranged to have a daughter sculpted from clay and then brought to life by magic. That's a version of her. Incid-."

I stop talking, because even I can read the room better than to continue.

"A daughter?"

"Um. Yes. I mean, that's not your version. As far as I know, she's from a world where a hugely powerful demon twisted everything and everyone with its magic. She had a helmet which was warping her mind, which I destroyed before bringing her here."

"She is the daughter of Queen Hippolyta."

"I haven't had a coherent conversation with her, but that seems most likely. I mean, I don't know what sort of state-"

Three priestesses dressed as clerics of Apollo enter the plaza and immediately head towards Diana with a stretcher. I lay her out on it before removing my construct hold on her.

"-she'll be in when she wakes up. I imagine that she'll want to go home. Archon, I feel like I'm missing some pertinent information that would allow me to better understand what's going on."

She nods. "It seems that you are. Allow me to explain the state of things."
Everyone immediately started staring at Paul after he said who she was, didn't they. Time for an Earth 10 history lesson. Hopefully this will get the Amazons to at least trust Paul a little, just enough to not try and stab him in the back or something.
 

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