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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Because it has three ' at the beginning and only two at the end.
Diggah was apparently reading what was on Paul's card and said 'uwl' but you wrote it as " 'uwl " when it should be "'uwl'".
A lot of people are bachelors, so it isn't giving much away.
Plus Bruce is now married, so he's no longer a bachelor, so Paul's implication doesn't really matter.
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I don't know, but I keep hearing stories about rats and children? Or kidnapping?
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True, dust and grime do not play nice with microcircuitry liek you might find in a Cold Gun. And good to see him actually making real food, instead of tossing some ready-to-eat crap in the microwave. Guess he takes his food seriously.
And that would give a man some good habits in his home life. If only to avoid being like the old man.
Heh. guessing this is not the first time these two have spent a night drinking. Presumably they'd usually have a few other Rogues around, but with Lenny going straight, as it were...
...Might help if you looked where you were reaching, mate.
...Microwaved bacon? Who does that? I don't even eat bacon, and I know that's a sin against cuisine! Feeling a bit insulted, Digger? You should see how he treated the Arrows back in the day.
All the more amusing when you consider that his son has limited Super-speed powers of his own.
Still a bit suspicious, eh? And OL is usually so disarmingly charming.
Or is it a little bit of that old Aussie-v-Pommie rivalry filtering in?Heh, the old sausage sizzle sanger. Let me guess, he'll roll it up and eat it? Like a taco or a burrito, if you've never seen the process.
...That's not a no on the rolled front. Let me guess, OL figures he can poach Boomerang from the Rogues too? I mean, given some of his crazier trick boomerang designs (Seriously, the Silver Age was weird. Must have been the drugs of the 60's.)
Not unless you suddenly became a magic teacher in the last year, no.
I imagine more than a few tech-based villains would find their caches of tech missing if they ever got out of jail, with OL around.
The original meeting, for the curious. How far OL's come...
And while Australia and New Zealand have a long-standing rivalry, mostly on sporting fields, there is still a sort of antagonistic friendship between the countries.
Enough to get you looking over your shoulder, huh?
...You throw boomerangs and rob banks.
You're hardly a global threat.Yeah, don't let your ego write checks your ass can't cash, Digger.
Yes, well... I can figure the Rogues having a vested interest in the Flash's temperament. If all it took is one bad day for him to go all Punisher...
And that news is probably going to be in the Rogues' ears as soon as Digger can get to a phone, I bet.
Hey, the Rogues have always tried to keep their hands reasonably clean. Unless someone really pisses them off... Helps keep the prison sentences short, after all.
And I can't help but imagine him having a moment of cold sweat, and reconsidering his life choices.
Hey, it looks good on the rap sheet for parole hearings.
And when a man whose chilli can make the Manhunter cry and Aquaman beg for water says it's 'okay', you know you did well.
And yes, Aussie men of Digger's time usually know their way around a barbecue.
...Also a relic of Digger's time: Casual bigotry.
To be fair, the world probably thinks she 'eats more pussy than Alf', to paraphrase one internet wag. Because, you know, an entire island of women?
...Well, consider how the world sees it.
Hartley Rathaway, aka the Pied Piper. Openly homosexual since the late 90's, and a close ally of Wally West for a lot of his tenure. And an expert in sonic technologies.
Well, that's a pleasant little scene. Three guys sharing a late breakfast and shooting the shit. It's moments like these that make the story work, sometimes. Perhaps OL can lure Boomerang, and maybe some of the other Rogues, away from the criminal life. Though some of them might enjoy being bad, so it could be a tough sell...
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How is Barry doing since he killed the Sheeda Queen? btw I remember Paul told Malvolio that the reason for Flash doing that is cause he spent most of the war in Flash-time is this true or did the Sheeda kill someone Barry loved?
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He told a lie in order to have Malvolio be less likely to dislike Barry for what he did.
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What's the truth? Why did Barry kill the Sheeda Queen?
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Dark Knights of Steel came out in 2022, Paragon shouldn't know any comics past 2013.
Also pretty sure she's Bisexual there.
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You throw boomerangs and rob banks.
Hey, villains with dumber gimmicks have become big threats before.
Ohoh, yeah.
I'm reminded of a one shot I once read about a group that protects superheroes without their knowledge.
Basically in that story we follow a bunch of secret agents as they're trying to protect the wife of the Superman expy.
A mind controlling villains enthralls a guy to kill her in a way that can casually bypass the hyper advanced security her home has.
The protection detail stops the person by killing him, but in the end it turns out that these guys aren't the local SHIELD expy, they're the local HYDRA expy.
They're protecting the loved ones of the heroes since if the heroes go bad due to grief then there's nothing stopping them from killing everyone, including the bad guys, so the bad guys have a vested interest in the superheroes being happy.
The author even stated that them killing the mind control victim should have been a clue, since the SHIELD expy would have just captured him and only resorted to lethal measures if there's no other option, while the HYDRA expy would immediately resort to murder.
Yeah, he showed up in the Renegade timeline before Sheeda Land.
Paul kinda fibbed there to make Varry look more sympathetic.
Yep.
He may not have seen things in a slow time like way, but he still spent weeks seeing gruesome and horrible things done to innocents, and to have the person behind all that just walk away with the equivalent to a slap on the wrist made him snap.
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Yes, because the SI's name is 'Paul', and he said it with his mouth full of delicious fried food. The missing 'P' becomes ' and the "s are there because he's speaking.
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I think Flash misses his old rogues.
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He hasn't got that far in his reflecting process yet.
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When was that?
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I think she primarily wanted to just fuck him, but I could be wrong.
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Makes me wonder how much Amazon homonormativity owes to the aversion to reproduction and children (tying them to the dissolution of the community and thus state) for the reasons Hippolyta first outlined with the whittle baby phenomenon- arguably an inversion of heteronormativity in other places where reproduction and children and the whole (nuclear) family ideal are an essential aspect of community and thus state, with alternate sexualities being in 'conflict' with that.
Actually, post-Klarion and post-Sheeda, I imagine that population-boosting is a big state concern in multiple governments, even with their currently reduced capabilities as they rebuild.
Vantavendi (part 3)
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20th October 2012
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Huh. That was interesting.
Apparently, Pied Piper got his life together without prompting, got back in contact with his parents and got a legitimate sound engineering job while moonlighting with the Alliance. I remember that he did something like that in the comics, but I thought he was one of the people the Top influenced?
Not sure.
Digger seemed a bit downhearted about the whole thing. People leaving the supervillain life means less chance of the Flash being distracted when he breaks the law, and he's a man reaching the end of his physical prime whose main skill is throwing bent pieces of carbon fibre-reinforced plastic. He's a reasonable engineer, but not one I feel obliged to bring on board.
I smile at my students. No, I stayed for a week and then left for a month. These Lanterns I'm mentoring. I found them in the library; Dul reading general history, Xalitan reading psychology and Onik reading about past Green Lanterns.
"So what have you learned while I've been away?"
"I have learned that these books are too small." A tendril turns the page for Xalitan. "And that I miss Onisia. And that my fixation with order and justice is not just a result of my personal experience but also a product of a common desire amongst humanoids in complex societies to be treated as participating members of that society, with all the rights and obligations that such treatment ensures. My desires are not merely mine, but the particular manifestation of a universal drive."
He moves his hands so that they're palms up with his wrists touching his stomach, ring floating motionless above them.
"I am more than me."
I nod, smiling. "Good. Lantern Dul?"
"I've learned that the things that are the bedrock of my life are transitory, not the same even a generation ago. That the things I want are things I've been raised to want by Thanagar's leaders rather than things that emerged freely from my mind, and that I want them anyway."
"No dissonance there?"
"Still… Some. I'm working on it."
"Good. Lantern Onik?"
"I have studied the records of former Green Lanterns. I have been studying their failures and the underlying reasons for those failures. I have-. There are cases where you were definitely right about their single-mindedness, and… Ah, your own example-."
"Oh, it doesn't apply to me. I'm perfect."
I smile and wait.
"Um." He glances at the other two, and Lantern Dul nods pointedly. "I.. do not… Believe that is correct, Illustres."
"Well done. Have you learned to differentiate between things that are definitely errors and things that are simply differences in approach or objective?"
"I don't think that's possible, Illustres. It is just something a Lantern must be mindful of."
"Ooor..?"
"Um. You… Associate with people who-. With other colours of Lantern?"
"Yes. Or?"
"Study many colours?"
I nod, smiling. "Or use many colours. My homeworld's Violet Lantern let me use her ring for a few minutes, and I've given her apprentice an orange ring."
Onik nods. "That is what you meant. No one part of the whole is complete by itself. By cooperating with other colours we gain perspective, and by studying the emotions which do not relate to our ring we avoid losing ourselves to it."
"Part of it. There's also-."
Lantern Dul's eyes narrow. "Can someone use more than one ring?"
"Yes."
"All seven colours? At once?"
"In theory, though I don't think it's ever been done. Is everyone wearing their wards?" Three nods, and I use my ring to check the area for listening devices before ensuring that no sound will leave the immediate area. "There's no fundamental reason why a ring couldn't be made to channel all seven."
Onik's face falls slightly.
"All seven? So you could switch between them?"
"No."
Dul frowns. "All at once? How could someone combine-?"
"No."
Xalitan nods. "Self. You would not use each of the colours. You would use what they share. Manifesting the self in the universe. The self of you. The self of all."
"That's what I think would happen."
He looks curious. "No one has tried? The Guardians?"
"Regard emotions as things for primitives like us. The issue the Controllers have is that even starting a Central Power Battery requires an intense focus of emotion and most maltusians are fairly jaded. The emotion would have to come from-."
"Primitives like us." Lantern Dul nods. "Apart from you and Larfleeze, and Malvolio, who could do it?"
"I think that my friend Alan could help create a Blue Central Power Battery, if it came to it. The Zamarons don't like me enough to explain how they did it."
Onik nods. "What about Kalmin?"
"He didn't create one. Sinestro's personal lantern is designed to maintain its own link, though it's weaker than it would be with a Central Power Battery. Neither Sinestro nor Kalmin had the sort of intensity of fear in them that would allow them to make a Central Power Battery, even if they knew how to."
"What colour would it be?" Xalitan frowns thoughtfully as he returns his ring to his left ring finger. "A ring where all colours were one."
"White." I hold up my right hand and generate a sigil, a triangle with seven lines radiating outward. There's no difficulty in creating it as there would be with one of the other colours. "Naturally. A combination of all of the light wavelengths."
Lantern Dul stares at it. "Is that what we're trying to create?"
"No. Ah, not specifically. It would be too provocative to the Guardians and Zamarons, as well as a lot of unaligned maltusians, to even try something like that. To say nothing of how hard it would be to actually use for anything. So!"
I clap my hands together.
"If you get an opportunity to borrow a ring of a different colour, take it. If a Green Lantern wants to try your ring, let them if it's safe to do so. And don't limit your studies to avarice if you don't want to. I persuaded Alan to give Orange Lantern Koriand'r a go with his blue ring and she was a natural. Now, who wants to spar with me to find out what your newfound understanding means in terms of effectiveness?"
16:23 GMT
Huh. That was interesting.
Apparently, Pied Piper got his life together without prompting, got back in contact with his parents and got a legitimate sound engineering job while moonlighting with the Alliance. I remember that he did something like that in the comics, but I thought he was one of the people the Top influenced?
Not sure.
Digger seemed a bit downhearted about the whole thing. People leaving the supervillain life means less chance of the Flash being distracted when he breaks the law, and he's a man reaching the end of his physical prime whose main skill is throwing bent pieces of carbon fibre-reinforced plastic. He's a reasonable engineer, but not one I feel obliged to bring on board.
I smile at my students. No, I stayed for a week and then left for a month. These Lanterns I'm mentoring. I found them in the library; Dul reading general history, Xalitan reading psychology and Onik reading about past Green Lanterns.
"So what have you learned while I've been away?"
"I have learned that these books are too small." A tendril turns the page for Xalitan. "And that I miss Onisia. And that my fixation with order and justice is not just a result of my personal experience but also a product of a common desire amongst humanoids in complex societies to be treated as participating members of that society, with all the rights and obligations that such treatment ensures. My desires are not merely mine, but the particular manifestation of a universal drive."
He moves his hands so that they're palms up with his wrists touching his stomach, ring floating motionless above them.
"I am more than me."
I nod, smiling. "Good. Lantern Dul?"
"I've learned that the things that are the bedrock of my life are transitory, not the same even a generation ago. That the things I want are things I've been raised to want by Thanagar's leaders rather than things that emerged freely from my mind, and that I want them anyway."
"No dissonance there?"
"Still… Some. I'm working on it."
"Good. Lantern Onik?"
"I have studied the records of former Green Lanterns. I have been studying their failures and the underlying reasons for those failures. I have-. There are cases where you were definitely right about their single-mindedness, and… Ah, your own example-."
"Oh, it doesn't apply to me. I'm perfect."
I smile and wait.
"Um." He glances at the other two, and Lantern Dul nods pointedly. "I.. do not… Believe that is correct, Illustres."
"Well done. Have you learned to differentiate between things that are definitely errors and things that are simply differences in approach or objective?"
"I don't think that's possible, Illustres. It is just something a Lantern must be mindful of."
"Ooor..?"
"Um. You… Associate with people who-. With other colours of Lantern?"
"Yes. Or?"
"Study many colours?"
I nod, smiling. "Or use many colours. My homeworld's Violet Lantern let me use her ring for a few minutes, and I've given her apprentice an orange ring."
Onik nods. "That is what you meant. No one part of the whole is complete by itself. By cooperating with other colours we gain perspective, and by studying the emotions which do not relate to our ring we avoid losing ourselves to it."
"Part of it. There's also-."
Lantern Dul's eyes narrow. "Can someone use more than one ring?"
"Yes."
"All seven colours? At once?"
"In theory, though I don't think it's ever been done. Is everyone wearing their wards?" Three nods, and I use my ring to check the area for listening devices before ensuring that no sound will leave the immediate area. "There's no fundamental reason why a ring couldn't be made to channel all seven."
Onik's face falls slightly.
"All seven? So you could switch between them?"
"No."
Dul frowns. "All at once? How could someone combine-?"
"No."
Xalitan nods. "Self. You would not use each of the colours. You would use what they share. Manifesting the self in the universe. The self of you. The self of all."
"That's what I think would happen."
He looks curious. "No one has tried? The Guardians?"
"Regard emotions as things for primitives like us. The issue the Controllers have is that even starting a Central Power Battery requires an intense focus of emotion and most maltusians are fairly jaded. The emotion would have to come from-."
"Primitives like us." Lantern Dul nods. "Apart from you and Larfleeze, and Malvolio, who could do it?"
"I think that my friend Alan could help create a Blue Central Power Battery, if it came to it. The Zamarons don't like me enough to explain how they did it."
Onik nods. "What about Kalmin?"
"He didn't create one. Sinestro's personal lantern is designed to maintain its own link, though it's weaker than it would be with a Central Power Battery. Neither Sinestro nor Kalmin had the sort of intensity of fear in them that would allow them to make a Central Power Battery, even if they knew how to."
"What colour would it be?" Xalitan frowns thoughtfully as he returns his ring to his left ring finger. "A ring where all colours were one."
"White." I hold up my right hand and generate a sigil, a triangle with seven lines radiating outward. There's no difficulty in creating it as there would be with one of the other colours. "Naturally. A combination of all of the light wavelengths."
Lantern Dul stares at it. "Is that what we're trying to create?"
"No. Ah, not specifically. It would be too provocative to the Guardians and Zamarons, as well as a lot of unaligned maltusians, to even try something like that. To say nothing of how hard it would be to actually use for anything. So!"
I clap my hands together.
"If you get an opportunity to borrow a ring of a different colour, take it. If a Green Lantern wants to try your ring, let them if it's safe to do so. And don't limit your studies to avarice if you don't want to. I persuaded Alan to give Orange Lantern Koriand'r a go with his blue ring and she was a natural. Now, who wants to spar with me to find out what your newfound understanding means in terms of effectiveness?"
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Nice to hear that he's doing so well.
More like you're too big.
Sweet.
Yeah, the values of a nation and society can shift pretty rapidly in a fairly short amount of time.
Can't win them all.
'your own'
And I'm king of the universe.
Good, you have to call out Paul in his bullshit.
It's the only way he can learn.
He's not good at learning things, what with being fairly slow, but he can still do it.
Just be persistent.
Though you used it far longer than a few minutes.
Basically White.
'requires'
And Dr. Mist may be able to make a White one.
'Zamarons'
'to his left ring'
So you find it difficult to actually generate the symbols of the other colors?
'use it for'
Just don't do it if it's black or red.
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I'm a little surprised that Paul would share info on the White Light with anyone, especially with someone who's more loyal to someone/something else like Paran Dul.
Paul already demonstrated it, when he was helping Sephtian in turning the Star Sapphire in to the Staff of Love. He found that making the sigil actually created a link to the plane of love, causing his construct to destabilize.
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Is this meant to be 'not one' or just a slightly odd turn of phrase?
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He might think it's safe since the Thanagarians don't have a means of accessing any of he Lights, so he loses nothing from telling her.
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Well some people have apparently been themselves with a black ring.
Osiris summoned lightning to destroy his ring rather than serve Nekron, zombie Johnny Quick just had father-daughter bonding time, and Black Lantern Anti-Monitor still thought Nekron was an asshole, if memory serves.
Edit: So Black Lantern Paul's free will actually has more precedent than sane orange lantern. Although the Solomon Grundy storyline implies that the black lantern ring and a vampire's possessing demon would in fact get along like a house on fire. But I can't say I blame Zoat for not writing a self insert that is basically Angelus with a black lantern ring. Because you know, gross.
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I only remember Ghia'ta lending her ring to Paul, not Dame Carol Ferris. Did this happen offscreen?
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the fuck she gonna do
give this info to her home world and let them know that White Light exist
it not like any one using it to be worry about it
heck, they don't even know the White Entity is a thing
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Thank you, corrected.
No, I think that works.
Thank you, corrected.
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An Orange Lantern is never too big. Nor is he too small; he's precisely as large as he wants to be.
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Ghia'ta is technically Earth's Violet Lantern seeing as she's living there and using a Violet Ring.
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But right afterwards he said he gave the apprentice of Earth's Violet Lantern his ring to use, which is what happened to Ghia'ta.
As such, that should say: "A Violet Lantern who's staying on my homeworld let me use her ring for a few minutes, and I in turn gave her an orange ring for her own use."
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That seems like a rather dangerous assumption given Sinestro spanked Paragon the last time they met.