Ardy
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man he is never going to live to that down
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Because the law was created in a most violent era, when war between city-states was common. It was written with that in mind, and as Atlantis became increasingly peaceful it was left on the books because it didn't matter.
so first off, loving the story so far. i always like the un-men angles.
but i have a bit of an unrelated question. it's come to me while we've been so focused on Grayven for these past few entries.
how is it that Grayven is being treated like the real Grayven? like, don't any of these people remember when an Orange Lantern showed up, and joined the Teens? do they not remember him being a normal, albeit physically optimal, individual? he then injects himself with a couple of things, i can't remember what exactly, and now he's the de facto god of conquest. what is the in-world justification for everyone just being ok with Orange Lantern -> Muscled guy -> god of conquest. you'd think that Batman, at the very least, would be skeptical about things. how is it that everybody acknowledges that he's Grayven, despite there being an actual real Grayven elsewhere, when everybody also knows he started out as a peak human? is this something that father- or mother-box did in the awakening process?
I think that he may have told them that he lost his memories or his power and was regaining it.
Also after Scott and Barda came on the scene and started treating him like he was Grayven, people may have lost any doubts that he was Grayven.
And they may honestly not know about the actual Grayven and what he's doing.
Darkseid may know who he is but may not care since he may view him as being superior to his actual son.
thank you for the quick response. i completely forgot about Scott and Barda. i also forgot about that carload of new god teens that identified him as Grayven, which is when it really started to kick in. but i still have a hard time with anyone on the team being like, 'no, he's not a god, i literally was there the day he injected himself to get all of those muscles'. i've been more or less thinking that, since Grayven knows he's not the real Grayven, he's been deliberately manipulating the almost-trope of comic book characters being dumbasses and not being able to put 2 and 2 together. but that falls apart when you have Batman there, supposedly the best detective on earth.
it's also caused me to quietly cross my fingers and wait for the entry where the Question pops up out of nowhere and accuses Grayven of being an impostor and presents all kinds of Pepe Silvia evidence to the JL.
thank you for the quick response. i completely forgot about Scott and Barda. i also forgot about that carload of new god teens that identified him as Grayven, which is when it really started to kick in. but i still have a hard time with anyone on the team being like, 'no, he's not a god, i literally was there the day he injected himself to get all of those muscles'. i've been more or less thinking that, since Grayven knows he's not the real Grayven, he's been deliberately manipulating the almost-trope of comic book characters being dumbasses and not being able to put 2 and 2 together. but that falls apart when you have Batman there, supposedly the best detective on earth.
it's also caused me to quietly cross my fingers and wait for the entry where the Question pops up out of nowhere and accuses Grayven of being an impostor and presents all kinds of Pepe Silvia evidence to the JL.
"Are you Grayven, son of Darkseid?"
That's the biggy. "If I am, then Earth-" I nod at Scott and Barda "-its New God residents included, is safe from Apokoliptian intervention for the foreseeable future. If I'm not and Darkseid finds out, then he will feel that I've made a fool of him and things will go rather badly for us all. Do you really want an answer?"
Batman's eyes narrow slightly. Not the most helpful answer I suppose but it's the best one I could think to give. There's a grating noise as Colonel Fang folds his arms across his chest. "I do not believe that one is required. Your devotion to the defence of the Earth has been noted, Grayven."
There's a law in England was dates back... Hundreds of years, which says that parishes are financially responsible for the upkeep of their local church. At the time it wasn't an issue because virtually everyone it applied to would have worshipped there. It's still active today. I have chancellery insurance, just in case I'm liable. If a church loses its roof, local Jews, Muslims, Hindus and everyone else can be required to pay for repairs.
Would you blame me if I said yes I would?Imagine if George Washington in London showed up at the head of an army of revolutionary soldiers. Would you blame the Americans?
The actual 'explanation' he gave them about going to a plane where souls don't exist (Earth Prime) which led to his 'amnesia' happened offscreen, as far as I know. I've posted a quote I think is relevant regarding the reaction to his initial claim of being Grayven. I'm not sure what the League or other people actually believe about him at the present time.
I think the citadel contacted 16.5 Grayven briefly and acknowledged him as not an imposter.Given that I read through pretty recently, I can give a bit more comprehensive on Renegade.
He showed up as someone without a soul and an orange ring. He then used the Kobra Venom to become the super strong brute. He looked like Grayven when the Forever People showed up and they called him Grayven. He then took the Father Box from Desaad and used it to do some upgrades on himself while claiming the role of Grayven. One of the main perks being the construction of a soul I believe.
He claimed to be Grayven because he went to Earth Prime where he experienced life there at the cost of his soul, then came to Earth 16.5 or whatever where he reawakened. He displays the powers of a New God, and a vast understanding of what they can do with various knowledge that an outsider shouldn't seemingly possess. The advantage from his SI nature. He also even appears to have some memories of the actual Grayven somehow to the point that for a while he seemed unsure if it was true that he was actually Grayven.
Another point in his identity is that Scott and Barda acknowledged him although admitted it had been a while since they met him. But at New Year's eve he claimed to be Suzerain of Earth and eventually even met with Darkseid and gained a boon. So he has the bona fides to "prove" he is Grayven.
It is unclear if Darkseid is aware of his true identity, or if he even cares. The real Grayven from Renegade Earth 16 so far hasn't shown up, only on Earth 51 and Paragon Earth 16, so that doesn't work against him. And even if he does, Grayven could always claim to be a different Grayven from a different Earth. As for the League, it is unclear what exactly they think of him truly, but they have accepted him as Grayven, partially because he explained to Bruce the nature of his "ownership" of Earth and the potential consequences if it got out that he isn't the real Grayven. I imagine Bruce thinks it is a role that Renegade wears to protect the Earth, much like he pretended to join the Light. But others may think he is the true Grayven.
On an unrelated note, I realized we haven't actually seen much of the League's mechanics lately. Is Batman still the chairman or is it keeping the canon rule of rotating chairpersons?
It is unclear if Darkseid is aware of his true identity, or if he even cares. The real Grayven from Renegade Earth 16 so far hasn't shown up, only on Earth 51 and Paragon Earth 16, so that doesn't work against him. And even if he does, Grayven could always claim to be a different Grayven from a different Earth. As for the League, it is unclear what exactly they think of him truly, but they have accepted him as Grayven, partially because he explained to Bruce the nature of his "ownership" of Earth and the potential consequences if it got out that he isn't the real Grayven. I imagine Bruce thinks it is a role that Renegade wears to protect the Earth, much like he pretended to join the Light. But others may think he is the true Grayven.
I've long had the theory that Gravy didn't fool Fatherbox, and I remember seeing something that implied I was actually right in the story. I just don't remember what it was at the moment.
Renegade wouldn't have the right DNA, being a different species. He would have antibodies to diseases that the actual Grayven would have never gotten, being an alien raised on a different planet. Renegade would have the wrong trace elements in his body. His teeth wouldn't have been the same.
Hell, when the actual Grayven showed up, Gravy revealed their faces weren't the same. So Renegade's lie wouldn't even have stood up to a facial recognition test.
Gravy's lie would've been revealed by Batman playing CSI in his batcave, much less against a sapient computer whose database and scanning ability are in some ways seemingly superior to a Maltusian power ring.
He literally is able to reshape his body. Not to mention the fact that he allegedly had the soul ripped out of his body.
Plus New Gods can pass as human, Darkseid got reincarnated himself in Final Crisis.
FatherBox may not have believed him but still chose to follow him since he was strong.
This seems to be an Apokoliptian thing.
And the Grayven in this story is actually partially human, what with Mortalla, his mother in this story, being a human kidnapped and altered by Desaad.
He claimed to be Grayven because he went to Earth Prime where he experienced life there at the cost of his soul, then came to Earth 16.5 or whatever where he reawakened. He displays the powers of a New God, and a vast understanding of what they can do with various knowledge that an outsider shouldn't seemingly possess. The advantage from his SI nature. He also even appears to have some memories of the actual Grayven somehow to the point that for a while he seemed unsure if it was true that he was actually Grayven.
That makes Mortalla a former human, not Grayven a half-human hybrid, unless Zoat actually changed things to add to No Biochemical Barriers, a trope he doesn't seem to like.
Wait, I know I missed a few chapters in the course of the story but when the hell did the earth prime thing happen? Which episode?
Was it when he found out Fatherbox had been secretly reporting everything back to Darkseid?I've long had the theory that Gravy didn't fool Fatherbox, and I remember seeing something that implied I was actually right in the story. I just don't remember what it was at the moment.
Komand'r, you have achieved a level of spitefulness which surpasses every Tamaranean before you. I assure you: you have more than enough bitchiness to get through this with your character intact."
We were going to castigate you about the meteorite. But this looks far more interesting."
Why were they having this argument o er the love Lantern's planet?