Well renegades not a scientist, so not doing scientific things is not that weird.
And Sunset, an expert in magic, seems to think his theory is pointless.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Well renegades not a scientist, so not doing scientific things is not that weird.
And Sunset, an expert in magic, seems to think his theory is pointless.
Mr Zoat
Dedicated ragequitter
Thank you, corrected.
Because he scheduled it in advance, and refuses to duck out.
It's not his intent to prove that. It's his intent to raise a possibility that ponies aren't considering.
Queshire
Not too sore, are you?
Sure. Let me raise another possibility that people aren't considering. What if, and hear me out here, aliens built the pyramids.
Vaermina
Well worn.
I think he's doing it just to cause massive amounts of fear and power up his ring before he tries to take on the other Grayven conveniently forgetting that the other Grayven can just nope his rings with a source battle.
Queshire
Not too sore, are you?
That's fair.
Handlewithcare
Versed in the lewd.
I think it's simpler than that.
All ponies are locked in a magical group mind, the Harmony.
It causes them to spontaneously know song lyrics, the Tree of Harmony and the Map are manifestations of it's will.
It also governs Cutie Marks, making sure society has it's needed share of teachers, construction workers, administrators...
And magic is always associated with symbols, runes etc.
Cutie Marks are just "Harmony magic runes" imprinted on bodies
All ponies are locked in a magical group mind, the Harmony.
It causes them to spontaneously know song lyrics, the Tree of Harmony and the Map are manifestations of it's will.
It also governs Cutie Marks, making sure society has it's needed share of teachers, construction workers, administrators...
And magic is always associated with symbols, runes etc.
Cutie Marks are just "Harmony magic runes" imprinted on bodies
Vice Xarno
Versed in the lewd.
Huh you know when is this because if Starlgiht hears this in full she would go, "Huh, that makes a bit too much sense." When in regards to the Vulnerability that wasn't there in regards to cutie marks considering how when she stole the Cutie Mark she didn't just steal the specific talent but it seemed like she took the ability to be more than mediocre in anything, she took Talent itself.
with that in Mind yeah Cutie Marks are just points of vulnerability for ponies
with that in Mind yeah Cutie Marks are just points of vulnerability for ponies
PrinceJonathan
Versed in the lewd.
He could be doing this to super charge his Yellow Ring.
Chojin Patriarch
Veteran Lurker
It's true, Equestrian society is rather.. scattershot in their technological development. Though I suspect a lot of that is because of a lack of communication, to some degree. Sure, books might travel, but understanding their contents isn't always easy, and some things just don't work too well in printed form...
Another example of their technological mish-mash. I presume it's for a loudspeaker. But have they not thought of learning ways to record things?
Oh, this is going to be interesting, in every sense of the word.
Heh. Establishing a common ground floor for the ideas. Good move. I don't doubt a lot of ponies barely even know the theory behind a lot of these things.
Except for those rare few who take a long-flank time to find what they do. We have examples of that in canon, after all.
Which certainly suggest things about them that some might be ready to hear. And what of those who come to Equestria from elsewhere? Of ponies from the ancestral herdlands, or those from places like Saddle Arabia? Do they have cutie marks? Remember, it's not the planet, it's merely one nation on that planet... And what do other races think on the Ponies' markings?
Hold on to your horseshoes, folks, he's just getting started.
Heh. Ever the showman, eh, Grayven?
Sometimes explosively so. Usually when that talent is something powerful.
Well, he'd have run this past her. And she doesn't hold much truck with the 'common wisdom', does she?
...Brainwave-reading... In a country that still considers steam trains to be fancy and new in some places? God damn, this inconsistent technology madness...Gee, it's almost like there's some outside force making decisions based on marketability and kid appeal.
...Don't give the outside force ideas, Grayven!
Not mentioning any names, of course. *Cough*Apples*Cough*. And boy, doesn't that have all manner of implications, don't it?
Let me take a guess at what that one's thinking:
"Oh Celestia, what? I've spent my whole life studying this! It's my goddamn cutie mark, for Celestia's sake! How did I not know this?!"...Cue existential breakdowns.
There you go. He's off to rethink his life and everything he thought he knew... Or get very, very drunk.
Not that the two acts are exclusive... In Vino Veritas, and all that.Indeed, I bet there are many books about 'what your cutie mark means', and the symbology therein. Like the stars in Twilight and Sunset's own marks, said to represent magic.
And right now, the ponies listening are feeling like 'cosmic horror' protagonists... Seeing their world descend into madness and impossibility...
"Well done, Corpsman. It's been some time since I've seen such an impressive display of panicking so many with just a few words."
I'm reminded of the scene with Van Helsing performing an autopsy in 'Dracula: Dead and Loving It' where he's intentionally trying to make his students puke, faint, flee or any combination thereof.
"Oh, well done, professor! A perfect score!" "I've still got it!"Oh, that's going to make for some trouble down the line. I can't help but imagine Celestia face-hoofing at his pronouncements. He's been planning this speech for how long now? At least he got to deliver it before Grayven-16r showed up. And there's a subtle hint in there of the danger of cutie-mark-affecting spells, such as Starswirl's last spell, or Starlight Glimmer's trick.
Grayven doesn't strike me as someone who is interested in doing good science, he is more into terrifying people into doing good science for him.
Brainwave-reading... In a country that still considers steam trains to be fancy and new in some places?
I think either Twilight or Sunset once used a machine like that.
Gee, it's almost like there's some outside force making decisions based on marketability and kid appeal.
In the words of Klaus from American Dad.
"Damn you Hasbro!''
I'm reminded of the scene with Van Helsing performing an autopsy in 'Dracula: Dead and Loving It' where he's intentionally trying to make his students puke, faint, flee or any combination thereof.
I think this is how Cranius would teach.
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moralrelativity
Recovering pendant.
Is he trying to charge his yellow ring to 100%?
BlueMangoAdea
Alive. For now.
Yellow rings don't get charged with ambient fear. They get more powerful, but no charge.
Mr Zoat
Dedicated ragequitter
While Starlight did steal the cutie marks of the main characters, she didn't steal the marks of the other inhabitants of the town. For whatever reason, they volunteered.
That's far better than the reason I came up with.
Sockmonkey
I trust you know where the happy button is?
What he's saying is less scary when you realize that it's pointing out that a mark functions more like a status readout than an invoking rune.
BlueMangoAdea
Alive. For now.
That's not the scary part. The scary part is that the loss of the mark also means the loss of associated talent, meaning that the marks are vulnerabilities.
Speaking of which, does removing the mark in a mundane way(cut up that patch of skin, etc) affect a pony's talent?
Vice Xarno
Versed in the lewd.
Yes volunteered but that still keeps my point when she did it it removed their ability to not be mediocre even at things that weren't their special talent, say someone's special talent was athletics but they were a pretty good cook too, and once the Mark was stolen no longer were they athletes but any food they made form then on was always bland.
Mr Zoat
Dedicated ragequitter
I don't believe that last thing was demonstrated. I read a story where Grogar claimed that a pony wouldn't be able to become as good at something else as they are at their special talent, and if they weren't that good at their special talent then they'd be terrible at everything. Then you've got Trouble Shoes, who doesn't know what his special talent is and it's doing a Leet; sabotaging his efforts to do anything else with his life.
moralrelativity
Recovering pendant.
Thank you!
WereDragon
Bookwyrm
1484 words of exposition on the author's personal fanon.
Self-contradictory fanon, as a matter of fact:
These statements cannot all be true. The fact Greyven is presenting them as complementary means that either he is deliberately testing the average Pony's ability to see logical inconsistency for some obscure reason or (far more likely, if we are being honest) he is once again lying his arse off for the sole purpose of trolling.
The question I was wondering to was "What happens if Glimmer stole Renegade's Mark?" then "What if he lures Real Graven there and steals his Mark?"
Their God nature makes that pretty much impossible. Altering New Gods through magic is really hard.
I'm confused - it seems less like he's arguing that it's useless - in that he's saying that getting an associated cutie mark accelerates talent learning in the field, but adds a (very difficult to exploit) vulnerability, which...
Honestly seems like basically a worthwhile trade in most circumstances?
Honestly seems like basically a worthwhile trade in most circumstances?
Mr Zoat
Dedicated ragequitter
In the first sentence he was referring to the initial appearance of the cutie mark.
If a person claimed that humans have two eyes, the existence of specific instances of humans who have less than that doesn't prove that the general statement isn't true.
Assuming that's all it's doing and the same result can't be achieved in a different way, yes.
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Enochi
Having way to much fun with AI.
Eh. The cutie pox is a magical malady that emulates cutie marks. Starlights 'equality' spell suppresses cutie marks. (You can see in the episode the magic mark flares when a pony tries to use their talent)
WereDragon
Bookwyrm
The exact same can be said of the Awakening process. On initial application it does nothing. Even over the long term it doesn't actually grants anything, just enhances what is already there.
Pez
Spaceman
Says who? When connected to a DC-verse, where there are literally New Gods, who eventually achieve Domains, I see some parallels. Renegade just talked about how everypony is borh with an ability (or domain). The fact that Renegade's cutie mark is tied to his Conquest domain, fuels my theory. Ponies don't get their mark until their brain is able to conceptualize their own connection to their ability (domain) - what the mark looks like is irrelevant. When they get that illness, they seemingly magically gain other domains, and when the illness is cured, they then lose those domains. And despite being born with a domain, which pony's feel instinctually, Renegade's theory is that if they lost their cutie marks after getting them, they would then lose their ability (domain).
There are certainly power gaps between the New Gods (depending on which lore you're going by, ones from New Genesis are better than their Apokoliptian counterparts, if only barely), but if we still assume them all the same, there is a power gap between Desaad and Vundabar to Kanto and Mantis, and the latter to Orion and Kalabak, and again the latter to High Father and Darkseid.
I see much the same with ponies. I could accept the argument that when they have both wings AND a horn they achieve godhood, but looking at the parallels, the argument could be made they are all just minor gods.
In context with this story, though, I'd say that Renegade's work on making gods probably proves my theory false. I'm sure pregodhood!Artemis would have just been a Pegasus or something, and current!Artemis is a Alicorn (I think she was, at least).
Seeing as when Sunset came to Earth she was just a human I guess your theory of them being gods is wrong.
It would be more accurate to say that they're just an oddly talented species rather than divine in a minor way.
Stsword
Versed in the lewd.
Yes, they are biologically magical, which is obvious in that what type of magic one can learn is determined by what they are.
Unicorns are innately telekinetic.
Pegasi can learn cloud wrangling and weather control.
And Earth ponies have earth pony magic.
To use DC terms, they are the equivalent of magical metahumans. Although they first used that term in Blue Beetle, that after the Spectre killed most of the Lords of Order and Chaos, people with magical bloodlines suddenly found their talents re-awakened after generations of dormancy.
So as BB Jaime dealt with a magical metahuman gang, and post flashpoint I think the local mob boss of El Paso made a School for Magically Gifted Youngsters.
Most magic users in DC are effectively like dnd wizards- it's just a skill they learned. Some people though have innate magical abilities regardless of their knowledge of magic, though.
Raven of the Titans is probably the most famous example, at least originally. Her empathy was her cambion power as Trigon's daughter, but she was also taught magic by her adopted people.
DC later seemingly retconned that by having Raven's mother show up and giving her empathy powers like her daughter's that were taught to her by the people of Azaroth. Although I suppose one could give a "no prize" style explanation by saying that the people of Azaroth decided to emulate Raven's empathy with thier own magical knowledge.
So since the ponies are innately magical, and that cutie marks include such magical talents as raising the sun or raising the moon and going all dreamwalker, I honestly don't see the need beyond "It's magic, I ain't haveta explain shit!" as an explanation.
By what criteria is it so weird that a magical species with magical talents might grow a magical brand that represents talent(s)?
Gravy might as well go to a zoo and give a lecture about the sinister reason platypuses have duck bills.
The more common term is fanfic and if this is surprising to you, you must be new here, Mr. Brony.
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