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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
If it was the same one that the SI went to then Sunset Shimmer wouldn't have been born yet.
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I... think he's talking about the Paragon meeting Luna Nightmare Moon chapter during Fools Canon episode. Also, I thought you established that Sunset Shimmer crossed over either to Human World (EG canon) or to Earth 16B at least a decade before Nightmare Moon's return to Equestria? Twilight was a young adult just moving out of the castle when the NM's return happened, she wouldn't have been more than a little kid when Sunset crossed over, right? So what do you mean by this comment? Wouldn't Sunset be young adult herself (ignoring the Narnia effect) by the time of NM's return?

How can Twilight be her canon young adult (Avarice is Magic part 2) and Sunset Shimmer not even being born yet at the same time?
 
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Zoat would it be possible for Old Gods to at least have some effect and influence on alien planets if they have some worshiper/s there?
You said that they could probably travel through space under their own power.

Thought about my previous question about Tamaran and Helios.

I know you said that Helios would have trouble empowering the 'andr sisters because they are aliens who grew up on a diffrent planet, but if he somehow figures out a way to do that then I'm pretty sure Kom would jump at the chance for more power, especially after she sees what the blessings did for Kon.
Laser eye beams capable of damaging planets seems like someone who wants power, that being Blackfire, would gladly give some worship for.
Hell if he was capable of giving Kon the powers to damage planets then he could also potentially turn Tamaraneans into X'hal like beings of power, assuming he figures out a way to do that and is capable of doing it to that level.

Also if Helios can have influence on other planets then I'm pretty sure that other Tamaraneans would also start worshiping him.

I know you said they wouldn't change their culture for the SI, but if they see the benefits of worshiping him then I'm pretty sure that a portion of them would gladly switch faiths.

X'hal doesn't seem to be involved in this universe like she was in the n52 comics, where she was leading her own followers on missions of mercy and benevolence across planets, so yeah if Tamaraneans see that Helios is more involved with them they could choose to follow him.

Plus Helios honestly seems like he could do more good for them than he would for humans.

Primarily because Tamaraneas being solar powered could greatly benefit from his influence.

He doesn't even have to empower them so much just a bit of extra sunlight after a morning prayer to get charged for the day.

Can paragon Kon be affected by red sunlight now that he has Helios's blessing?

Would Kon lose his Kryptonian powers if he was under a red sun now that he has been empowered by Helios?

Is there going to be any future episode that focuses on Thanagar and their interest in Earth gods?

Will the any of the Seven Devils make an appearance any time in your story and not just their minions?

Will any of Kryptons gods make an appearance in your story?

Will the paragon Team be getting any new members?
 
PrinceJonathan said:
Wait..if it's a 15:1 time difference. How's a Boom Tube going to...my brain hurts. He's not going to spend a day on Earth and 15 years pass on Equestria is he?
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No, if he did that fifteen days would pass. And Luna would be slightly annoyed until he came back and explained, and then she would laugh at him.
Agent Orange said:
I... think he's talking about the Paragon meeting Luna Nightmare Moon chapter during Fools Canon episode. Also, I thought you established that Sunset Shimmer crossed over either to Human World (EG canon) or to Earth 16B at least a decade before Nightmare Moon's return to Equestria? Twilight was a young adult just moving out of the castle when the NM's return happened, she wouldn't have been more than a little kid when Sunset crossed over, right? So what do you mean by this comment? Wouldn't Sunset be young adult herself (ignoring the Narnia effect) by the time of NM's return?

How can Twilight be her canon young adult (Avarice is Magic part 2) and Sunset Shimmer not even being born yet at the same time?
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The point I was making is that based on the information already at the reader's disposal, they can't possibly be the same Equestria.
Darko said:
Zoat would it be possible for Old Gods to at least have some effect and influence on alien planets if they have some worshiper/s there?
You said that they could probably travel through space under their own power.

Thought about my previous question about Tamaran and Helios.

I know you said that Helios would have trouble empowering the 'andr sisters because they are aliens who grew up on a diffrent planet, but if he somehow figures out a way to do that then I'm pretty sure Kom would jump at the chance for more power, especially after she sees what the blessings did for Kon.
Laser eye beams capable of damaging planets seems like someone who wants power, that being Blackfire, would gladly give some worship for.
Hell if he was capable of giving Kon the powers to damage planets then he could also potentially turn Tamaraneans into X'hal like beings of power, assuming he figures out a way to do that and is capable of doing it to that level.

Also if Helios can have influence on other planets then I'm pretty sure that other Tamaraneans would also start worshiping him.

I know you said they wouldn't change their culture for the SI, but if they see the benefits of worshiping him then I'm pretty sure that a portion of them would gladly switch faiths.

X'hal doesn't seem to be involved in this universe like she was in the n52 comics, where she was leading her own followers on missions of mercy and benevolence across planets, so yeah if Tamaraneans see that Helios is more involved with them they could choose to follow him.

Plus Helios honestly seems like he could do more good for them than he would for humans.

Primarily because Tamaraneas being solar powered could greatly benefit from his influence.

He doesn't even have to empower them so much just a bit of extra sunlight after a morning prayer to get charged for the day.

Can paragon Kon be affected by red sunlight now that he has Helios's blessing?

Would Kon lose his Kryptonian powers if he was under a red sun now that he has been empowered by Helios?

Is there going to be any future episode that focuses on Thanagar and their interest in Earth gods?

Will the any of the Seven Devils make an appearance any time in your story and not just their minions?

Will any of Kryptons gods make an appearance in your story?

Will the paragon Team be getting any new members?
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Okay, Darko? Like my local supermarket, I'm going to limit you to two a day. Which two do you want me to answer?
 
Can Old Gods have influence on other worlds if they have a worshiper/s on it?

Can Kon lose his Kryptonian powers under a red sun now that he has the blessing of Helios?
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Day 4,318.

Ponies.

Still. On. Ponies.

When will the horror end?
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Wednesday, you giant drama queen.
Darko said:
Can Old Gods have influence on other worlds if they have a worshiper/s on it?
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Depends on the Old God. Some can.
Can Kon lose his Kryptonian powers under a red sun now that he has the blessing of Helios?
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Can he? Certainly. Just disrupt the blessing or get him out of range.
 
Huh after paragon took Kon to go see Krypton and he let loose his new eye beams, planet destroying eye beams to be exact, I thought that he didn't have a range.

Though yeah if he was taken to the other side of the galaxy, or another galaxy entirely, then he could potentially lose the arcane connection he has with Helios.

A thought just came to me.

If renegade can open Boom Tubes to Equestria then there is a chance that Darkseid can do it too.

I know renegades Motherbox was made by a rebel leader, but said rebel leader, Himon, may just be playing along to Darkseids tune seeing as in the comics Darkseid and he were in the same room and Darkseid spared himv even though he is leading a resistance against him.

If Darkseid finds out about the Elements and that they can destroy the Equation.. well the ponies are fucked.
 
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Darko said:
Ah the world.

Truly it...sucks.
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So, if it sucks all the time, that can obviously be harnessed as a source of power? :)

Things to worry about: OL getting drunk enough that he says, "I've got this, hold my ring"? :)

(You can decide if that's better or worse than "Hold my beer". :) )

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I seem to keep putting 'OJ' instead of 'OL' - I think it's because orange juice (OJ), is, strangely, orange...
 
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Vaermina said:
Probably useless because there's no way to charge his ring and Legends is not canon any longer.
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You say that as if this author already doesn't blithely discard things that are nominally canon after a point of divergence.

Mr Zoat said:
vehermently
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Darko said:
'but less vehemently' not 'less vehermently'
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I know he's been asking a lot of questions, but this is a legitimate correction.

Mr Zoat said:
No, she might mean that white sauce stuff that Americans think is gravy.
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We have brown gravy too!
 
Coda said:
You say that as if this author already doesn't blithely discard things that are nominally canon after a point of divergence.



I know he's been asking a lot of questions, but this is a legitimate correction.


We have brown gravy too!
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ForeverShogo said:
White gravy is still gravy. It's still made with meat drippings. It's just whitened instead of browned.

And it's just one type of gravy used in America. Not the only kind. We have the normal gravies too.
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We also have Wavy Gravy , for now at least.
 
Well, it seems that the issue between Celestia and Sunset can't be surmize anymore as it's all Celestia's fault.

Sunset doesn't want to make peace. She want Celestia to tell her she was wrong.

The issue is that she is not. The Starswirl's Alicorne Ascension Spell needs for the recipient to go throught some form
of spiritual enlightement about the nature of Harmony, Friendship and how Magic is connected to these concepts.

However the path of enlightement is not found in books or the cold fact of the scientific method.

Sunset firmly and stubbornly followed a pure scientific approach.

Unfortunately, it was not a job for a scholar or a scientist but for a philosopher.

Ultimately, Celestia biggest failure was her inability to convey this fact.

Right now, Sunset Shimmer is an angry scientist who has missed and is still missing the point in spite of having succeed in
her goal.

The point is a that she was a poor student. She stubbornly refused to listen to her teacher, distrust her and arrogantly decide
that she knew better than the thousand year old Alicorn who has ascended throught Starswirl's spell.

So instead to sit down for a second to reflect upon that she may actualy be wrong.

She decided to blame Celestia for all her woe like Dr Doom did to Reed Richards.
 
Railhazar said:
Well, it seems that the issue between Celestia and Sunset can't be surmize anymore as it's all Celestia's fault.

Sunset doesn't want to make peace. She want Celestia to tell her she was wrong.

The issue is that she is not. The Starswirl's Alicorne Ascension Spell needs for the recipient to go throught some form
of spiritual enlightement about the nature of Harmony, Friendship and how Magic is connected to these concepts.

However the path of enlightement is not found in books or the cold fact of the scientific method.

Sunset firmly and stubbornly followed a pure scientific approach.

Unfortunately, it was not a job for a scholar or a scientist but for a philosopher.

Ultimately, Celestia biggest failure was her inability to convey this fact.

Right now, Sunset Shimmer is an angry scientist who has missed and is still missing the point in spite of having succeed in
her goal.

The point is a that she was a poor student. She stubbornly refused to listen to her teacher, distrust her and arrogantly decide
that she knew better than the thousand year old Alicorn who has ascended throught Starswirl's spell.

So instead to sit down for a second to reflect upon that she may actualy be wrong.

She decided to blame Celestia for all her woe like Dr Doom did to Reed Richards.
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Celestia was wrong. Literally none of what you said here is correct because CELESTIA WAS WRONG. You are also wrong by Zoat's canon.
 
Railhazar said:
Well, it seems that the issue between Celestia and Sunset can't be surmize anymore as it's all Celestia's fault.

Sunset doesn't want to make peace. She want Celestia to tell her she was wrong.

The issue is that she is not. The Starswirl's Alicorne Ascension Spell needs for the recipient to go throught some form
of spiritual enlightement about the nature of Harmony, Friendship and how Magic is connected to these concepts.

However the path of enlightement is not found in books or the cold fact of the scientific method.

Sunset firmly and stubbornly followed a pure scientific approach.

Unfortunately, it was not a job for a scholar or a scientist but for a philosopher.

Ultimately, Celestia biggest failure was her inability to convey this fact.

Right now, Sunset Shimmer is an angry scientist who has missed and is still missing the point in spite of having succeed in
her goal.

The point is a that she was a poor student. She stubbornly refused to listen to her teacher, distrust her and arrogantly decide
that she knew better than the thousand year old Alicorn who has ascended throught Starswirl's spell.

So instead to sit down for a second to reflect upon that she may actualy be wrong.

She decided to blame Celestia for all her woe like Dr Doom did to Reed Richards.
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This would be a very good point, if it were not for the fact that Celestia was in fact wrong. She tried to get Sunset to follow the path that would allow her to ascend using Star swirl's spell (the philosophical approach as you put it). Based on everything Celestia knew about ascension, this was a reasonable course of action to take, even if she did a poor job of conveying the meaning to Sunset, it wouldn't change the fact that she thought Sunset's purely scientific approach wouldn't work. She wasn't being malicious in that, and a lot of things had to go exactly right for sunset to gain the capability to prove her wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, a purely scientific approach did work, Sunset proved it, and therefore Celestia was in fact wrong, and therefore was wrong to stifle Sunset's exploration of that approach.
 
Railhazar said:
Well, it seems that the issue between Celestia and Sunset can't be surmize anymore as it's all Celestia's fault.

Sunset doesn't want to make peace. She want Celestia to tell her she was wrong.

The issue is that she is not. The Starswirl's Alicorne Ascension Spell needs for the recipient to go throught some form
of spiritual enlightement about the nature of Harmony, Friendship and how Magic is connected to these concepts.

However the path of enlightement is not found in books or the cold fact of the scientific method.

Sunset firmly and stubbornly followed a pure scientific approach.

Unfortunately, it was not a job for a scholar or a scientist but for a philosopher.

Ultimately, Celestia biggest failure was her inability to convey this fact.

Right now, Sunset Shimmer is an angry scientist who has missed and is still missing the point in spite of having succeed in
her goal.

The point is a that she was a poor student. She stubbornly refused to listen to her teacher, distrust her and arrogantly decide
that she knew better than the thousand year old Alicorn who has ascended throught Starswirl's spell.

So instead to sit down for a second to reflect upon that she may actualy be wrong.

She decided to blame Celestia for all her woe like Dr Doom did to Reed Richards.
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No, if Sunset was a scientist it is in part because that is what Celestia taught her to be. Sunset missed the point because Celestia was trying to communicate in Zen Koans an trying to force Sunset to be some pony she wasn't. If Celestia wanted Sunset to be like Twilight then she didn't want a student so much as a cultist.
 
Hey, I just had a thought. Was it ever mentioned what OL would do if he woke up in orbit of Earth with a power ring in the Mass Effect universe?

Considering how much mileage the Paragon/Renegade symbols have been getting, I'd have thought there'd be a few snips in the 'verse they're from.
 
Lazurman said:
Was it ever mentioned what OL would do if he woke up in orbit of Earth with a power ring in the Mass Effect universe?
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Beeline for the nearest Cerberus Taco cart recruitment booth? On one hand it involves dealing with human scum with delusion of competence on the other... well Miranda.

Alternately,

Do the same with the Migrant Fleet and hit on Xen? Claudia Black is Claudia Black matter the species.
 
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This whole pony episode thing may end on Thursday instead of Wednesday.

Wednesday is April 1st so Zoat could have been trolling when he said we'd be finished with the ponies by then
 
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